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Thrillho:
Finally saw Age Of Ultron.
It's lacking in the magic of the first one. The first one may be the most perfect superhero film ever made, but it was more by accident than design. You can't bottle lightning, and that's what Ultron is trying to do.
It does a damn good job of trying it, though. Very entertaining film. Far from a classic. And James Spader is the shit.
Neko_Ali:
A lot of people have commented that Civil War is a better follow up to Avengers than Age of Ultron was. I'm fairly split on the matter. Ultron is a fine movie. Not without it's stumbling blocks certainly. But it's not bad. Civil War (naturally) focuses on the internal conflicts of the Avengers much more though. Possibly my biggest gripe is that all the blame that falls on the Avengers when they are doing Avenger things. The viewpoint can be understood from a mob rule kind of mentality. After all, wherever the Avengers go, things tend to explode... But when people are blaming the entire situation on the Avengers is neither accurate or true most of the time. Yes, Ultron is Tony Stark's fault. But the Avengers are not responsible for the Chitarii attack. Or for Hydra infiltrating Shield and planning to use the helicarriers to eliminate 'problematic' individuals. While blame for Ultron should fall on Tony, I don't think that's a to widely known fact, yet the Avengers are blamed for Sokovia. And then the mercenary attack in the beginning of Civil War.
Spoilered plot point for Civil War: view at your own risk.
(click to show/hide)The whole thing was blamed on the Avengers because Scarlet Witch tried to contain and launch a bomb into the air, accidentally killing a bunch of diplomats. Ignoring the fact that if the bomb had exploded on the ground, it probably would have killed dozens more people. Or if the Avengers hadn't been there, Crossbones would have gotten away with a chemical weapon that could have potentially killed millions.
The Captain America movies do seem to have more attention paid to the consequences of the actions of the Avengers. And it is something of a point. The aftermaths of their battles tend to be catastrophic, and they tend to just drop things when it's over and go home, leaving the residents to clean up the mess. But blaming the Avengers for it happening in the first place is a bit absurd to me. In most cases I would say the damage would be much worse without the Avengers there.
BenRG:
The problem is that people can only see the damage caused by the Avengers. Because the far greater catastrophe was averted, then it is fairly simple for people to question whether said catastrophe actually was imminent at all or if it was just an excuse for the Enhanced to flex their muscles. The harm seen always trumps the potential harm averted in the mind of the short-sighted and, regrettably, the vast majority of leaders are short-sighted.
I'm really hoping that we see more of Tony's growing guilt complex, for what it's worth. He's clearly punishing himself by one remove by punishing his fellow Avengers. Worse, he's see-sawing between extremes of freedom and regulation; as each fails him in turn, his snap in the other direction is growing more violent. A final, violent breakdown may be inevitable.
Welu:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 16 May 2016, 13:10 ---The harm seen always trumps the potential harm averted in the mind of the short-sighted and, regrettably, the vast majority of leaders are short-sighted.
--- End quote ---
Yes. Good words.
The tipping point for making the situation more grey for me was when Vision made their point. It helped me click out of just being a viewer being like, "Hell yeah, superheroes are great and they should just do their thing." into, Empathising With The Fictional Lives Of The Mostly Unseen Masses In The Marvel World.
(click to show/hide)Vision: In the 8 years since Mr. Stark announced himself as Iron Man, the number of known enhanced persons has grown exponentially. And during the same period, a number of potentially world-ending events has risen at a commensurable rate.
Steve Rogers: Are you saying it's our fault?
Vision: I'm saying there may be a causality. Our very strength invites challenge. Challenge incites conflict. And conflict... breeds catastrophe. Oversight... Oversight is not an idea that can be dismissed out of hand.
Edguy:
http://upinhisnest.tumblr.com/post/144897881513
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