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TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Welu on 16 May 2016, 13:21 ---
--- Quote from: BenRG on 16 May 2016, 13:10 ---The harm seen always trumps the potential harm averted in the mind of the short-sighted and, regrettably, the vast majority of leaders are short-sighted.
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Yes. Good words.
The tipping point for making the situation more grey for me was when Vision made their point. It helped me click out of just being a viewer being like, "Hell yeah, superheroes are great and they should just do their thing." into, Empathising With The Fictional Lives Of The Mostly Unseen Masses In The Marvel World.
(click to show/hide)Vision: In the 8 years since Mr. Stark announced himself as Iron Man, the number of known enhanced persons has grown exponentially. And during the same period, a number of potentially world-ending events has risen at a commensurable rate.
Steve Rogers: Are you saying it's our fault?
Vision: I'm saying there may be a causality. Our very strength invites challenge. Challenge incites conflict. And conflict... breeds catastrophe. Oversight... Oversight is not an idea that can be dismissed out of hand.
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I was thinking about this recently.
(click to show/hide)Whatever argument Tony or Vision might make about supervision and oversight is somewhat mitigated by their actions towards Wanda. Is she under house arrest without having her rights being read? Or should we perhaps call it what it looks like - false imprisonment? Not to mention that neither of them go to offer any comfort to the heroes who were arrested and placed in the Raft, especially Wanda who was tied into a straitjacket and whose eyes had the glassy look of someone who had been pumped full of sedatives.
From his actions during the film, I got the feeling that everything Tony did in the film was less about doing the right thing and setting up an oversight board, but it was something to assuage his guilt that has built up from the previous films. Killian and AIM; Maya Hensen and Extremis; Ultron and the destruction of Sokovia; Pepper breaking up with him because he can't stop being Iron Man. He's lost the most important part of his life because he can't give up the suit or the guilt. Its like he wants someone to pat him on the shoulder and validate the mistakes he's made, to give them some worth. There's an interesting and telling scene where he says that Bruce would agree to the Sokovian Accords and Black Widow just shakes her head because she knows that Banner would be utterly against it. Tony is so desperate for someone to validate him, he delusionally thinks that one of his best friends would side with a man who helped make his life a misery. Its clear that Tony isn't thinking straight anymore and kinda makes you wonder how much more the Sokovian Accords are going to cost him before Infinity War.
Blue Kitty:
I can't believe I didn't know that Oscar Isaac was Apocalypse
Thrillho:
I didn't either.
Because that movie sucked, his performance sucked and he was given nothing to do.
LeeC:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvLw021rVN0
Also saw X-Men Apocalypse this weekend. I quite liked it...although I still have yet to see first class.
Method of Madness:
Have you seen Days of Future Past?
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