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What do you have/ would like to have pierced?

Ear/s
- 27 (16.6%)
Nose
- 11 (6.7%)
Lip/s
- 12 (7.4%)
Eyebrow/s
- 13 (8%)
Cheek/s
- 4 (2.5%)
Tongue
- 6 (3.7%)
Nape
- 4 (2.5%)
Neck
- 2 (1.2%)
Nipple/s
- 8 (4.9%)
Back
- 1 (0.6%)
Belly button
- 6 (3.7%)
Miscellaneous body part not listed
- 7 (4.3%)
Fun bits
- 7 (4.3%)
Nothing
- 55 (33.7%)

Total Members Voted: 82


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Author Topic: WCDT: 2535-2539 (16-20 September, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread  (Read 42912 times)

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No artificial holes for me, thanks. But if I ever figure out a compression algorithm that will allow it in a resolution that won't render the artist insane and/or blind I might be up for getting my DNA sequence tattooed somewhere.
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I want to eventually have multiple ear piercings like Hanners. Also a bunch more.

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No holes or tattoos, ever, for two reasons:

1. Life is too short for self-inflicted pain. I can't understand why anyone would pierce their ears for earrings (I have sensitive skin and don't wear jewelry of any kind, not even a wedding ring, and I've been married 13 years).  I also had a bad experience after a near-fatal auto accident many years ago; I had a traction pin in my left leg, and it broke, meaning it had to be redrilled through my leg under local anesthetic. I don't recommend that to anyone.

2. I have large scars on my legs from that accident  and I am very self-conscious about them. Won't even wear shorts on a 100-degree day. The last thing I would do is add something I think is even more disfiguring (and I think most tattoo designs range between tacky and downright ugly, and are never the true colors; being a former professional photographer and design person, I'm sensitive about that).

I admit, it's also partly a generational thing; the only people when I was young who had either were sailors or carnys.  I still get that vibe from anybody with visible tattoos or guys with piercings. As for women with piercings/tats ... I just wonder why they would spoil their natural beauty.
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1. Life is too short for self-inflicted pain.
I'd say it's too short to let a little pain get in the way of something you want. Neither is less valid.
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I just don't want a piercing or a tattoo. I don't have anything against them, but I just don't want one on myself. Simple as that.
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No holes or tattoos, ever, for two reasons:

1. Life is too short for self-inflicted pain.

As a tattooed and pierced person who had/has issues with self-inflicted pain, I think you're concentrating on the wrong aspect of the modification.

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As for women with piercings/tats ... I just wonder why they would spoil their natural beauty.

Also this is messed up but I don't want to derail this thread further.

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Quote it in the tattoo thread.
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No holes or tattoos, ever, for two reasons:

1. Life is too short for self-inflicted pain.

As a tattooed and pierced person who had/has issues with self-inflicted pain, I think you're concentrating on the wrong aspect of the modification.

Metal + flesh = pain

The same concept applies to bullets and swords.
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I am upset that there's no "Fuck piercings, MOAR TATTOOS" option. No I don't think there's any hypocrisy in that statement. Why do you ask? ;)

Also just for the record I wouldn't call getting a tattoo self inflicted pain. I napped through mine. Except the one on my collar bone. Freyja's red tears that hurt like a son of a bitch.
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BR's prediction:  Claire will hold Marten's hand for comfort during the procedure. 

And break his thumb in an overreaction to the pain - it'll be funny because it isn't us.
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I wonder what else she'll get pierced!
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I **love** earrings. The larger the better. I'm very dowdy and introverted, but this is one area where I just let go. Peacock feathers, long dangly ones, giant hoops... I've never considered any other piercing though.
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I wonder what else she'll get pierced!

How far can we discuss this without violating the rules?
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To a first approximation, keep it above the waist.
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Interesting how the poll is shaking out. The NOPE option has a selection rate that belies its percentage, due to the multiple allowed votes and multiple piercing types.

My general opinion is that permanent (absent body healing and laser) body modification is shortsighted. As far as I'm concerned, you've got one body; don't mess with it. Just keep it clean, fit, and fueled.

To a first approximation, keep it above the waist.
There goes the dream of a Claire with pierced toe webbing...

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To a second approximation, keep it either above the waist or below the knees.

As of right now, 21/31 people voted "nothing". Assuming they didn't check anything else, we can conclude that most people who want piercings in the first place also want multiple.
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Re: Piercings:  I get Claire's response; I had a similar reaction.  I didn't follow through because as a professional I wasn't really in a place (nor am I now) where alternative social expression is accepted; I was fortunate that my transition was as accepted as it was, and also fortunate that I came through it in a state that mostly blends in with the general population (I'm quasi-stealth; I don't hide it, I don't shout it from the rooftops).  I deal with clients, therefore I must at all times be able to be the face of the company.  Though I did consider having my nipples and bellybutton pierced.

Re: tattoos:  I...  well, frankly (and I know this sounds horrible and weird) I understand that others might want to, but I just don't understand people that make major cosmetic alterations to their body.  TKINMK, though, so whatever they like to do, more power to them. (TKINMK:  Their Kink Is Not My Kink).
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As far as I'm concerned, you've got one body; don't mess with it.
Aye: Piercings, tattoos, foreign chemicals, starvation ... just messing things up.

On the specific topic of piercings, man ... I'll never understand the appeal!
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Body modifications just never seemed interesting to me for my own body. They're cool on other people, though. :)
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No piercings please, but I would get a tattoo. My reason? Because I don't see myself pulling off piercings, but ink I think could look good.
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I had my ear pierced before by my dad. Nothing flash, just a ring. Honestly, I didn't give it much thought. But when I went into surgery (a story for another time...), and had to have it removed, I didn't bother putting it back in. To me, it was just a thing.

A tattoo... would be interesting. Nothing grandiose, a nice sleeve one would be nice. At the moment, I'm too broke, and I'd like it done professionally. Not something I'd leave for some backyard artist.
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BR's prediction:  Claire will hold Marten's hand for comfort during the procedure. 

And break his thumb in an overreaction to the pain - it'll be funny because it isn't us.

I got it half right - which of course also means I got it half wrong...
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BR's prediction:  Claire will hold Marten's hand for comfort during the procedure. 

And break his thumb in an overreaction to the pain - it'll be funny because it isn't us.

I got it half right - which of course also means I got it half wrong...
Well, what else was she going to hold?
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A teddy, duh.

I thought we weren't supposed to talk about sexual fantasies of characters here?
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The body's a temple and tattoos just mean you've installed stained glass.
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I feel so happy for Claire in this strip. Especially because the nervousness to the, "Let's do more!" is everyone if my modification experiences.

Metal + flesh = pain

The same concept applies to bullets and swords.

Bullets and swords don't put specifically chosen art on your body. Unless you're maybe into some abstract scarification.

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No, if the body is a Temple, tattoos, piercings and other body mods are like spray-painting graffiti on the walls and putting pink flamingoes on the lawn.
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No, if the body is a Temple, tattoos, piercings and other body mods are like spray-painting graffiti on the walls and putting pink flamingoes on the lawn.

Depending on your perspective - they may also be considered the equivalent of tasteful frescos and mosaics, with topiaries and statues.

To give some perspective to my earlier comment, when good friends of ours were having their first child, the husband offered his hand to his wife during one of the contractions during which she uttered a rather loud exclamation, as did he.  His lasted a bit longer and the nurse admonished him that he really didn't need to yell so much.  At which point everyone found out that his thumb had been broken, and that his subsequent screams were when his wife continued to squeeze ...

Protip - when offering your hand to someone to squeeze when they are in paid, protect your thumb....
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Depending on your perspective - they may also be considered the equivalent of tasteful frescos and mosaics, with topiaries and statues.
Of course, there is art and there is art.

In before Pilchard (who probably still hasn't read Snuff anyway):

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1Apart, that is, from the line of artistically naked ladies along its parapets. They were holding urns; urns is art.

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Well said.  It's all in the "eye of the beholder".

I'd never get any piercings or tattoos, but that's because I don't think any of it would look good on me personally.  There are other people I've known where it looked pretty good, though.
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Well said.  It's all in the "eye of the beholder".
Or in this case, the eyebrow.
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The good lord, she designed this body with a set of specifications on what goes where and how. [or that is how the doctrine goes]
As with anything else there are manufacturing defects we have to deal with that are enough trouble as it is.
I ask why anyone would want to go with aftermarket modifications.

Seriously though, all joking aside, I ask why do so without diligent market research beforehand.

The liberal application of alcohol seems to be a deciding factor on sober regrets afterwards.
If you mod your house or your car or your PC without thinking things through you more times than not get a unpleasant surprise, but you can rebuild or replace those, your body, not so much.

[Hanners might have something in the works though]


Mind you I have seen a few examples of good body art but those are outnumbered by the number of barbed wire armlets, butterfly butts, Chinese Characters [they don't mean what you think they mean]  :psyduck: etc etc etc

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As has been said elsewhere, very few reputable tattoo artists or piercers will work on someone who is drunk. I'm all in favour of people choosing not to have body mods if they don't want to - but it is none of anyone else's business if someone wants to get a tattoo or piercing that someone else doesn't approve of. It's almost the only behaviour which doesn't in any way harm anyone else at all (the only possible exception to this is if someone gets extremely offensive slogans or symbols tattooed onto them).
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As has been said elsewhere, very few reputable tattoo artists or piercers will work on someone who is drunk. I'm all in favor of people choosing not to have body mods if they don't want to - but it is none of anyone else's business if someone wants to get a tattoo or piercing that someone else doesn't approve of. It's almost the only behavior which doesn't in any way harm anyone else at all (the only possible exception to this is if someone gets extremely offensive slogans or symbols tattooed onto them).
The large number of drunken tattoo stories out there doesn't really make that point comforting. No one I can recall here has said anything close to disapproving meddling. Most human behaviors affect no one else most of the time.
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I would have thought that a forum that tries to be as accepting as this one wouldn't be so judgmental towards a person choosing to get tattoos and piercings.

I mean, I personally have neither, though I've considered tattoos, but I certainly don't look at anyone else and say "Man, why would they mess up their body with that." Their body, their choice.

Though I do usually have a thing about being wary of getting anything that can't be taken out or hidden by sleeves if you plan to go into a white collar field. So yeah, just be sure you never want to try to get an office job if you are going to do some of the crazier gauges or tattoos on the hands/neck/face.

Also big on putting real thought into any tattoos, you are stuck with them, so you want to make sure you choose well.
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be sure you never want to try to get an office job if you are going to do some of the crazier gauges or tattoos on the hands/neck/face.
I don't have any tattoos and at the moment I don't have any piercings (I did in college and may again as soon as Friday), but other than smallish stretched ears (which can be disguised) I don't plan on getting any other piercings or any tattoos that can't be covered by clothing for that exact reason. I wouldn't tell anyone else not to, though.
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piercings aren't my thing, but i'm not against them. however, i do plan on eventually  getting sub-dermal implants (things like neodymium implants, not like horns or something)

i am not against piercings, but i only find certain ones done in certain ways attractive (and never too many!)

i would love to have a tattoo, but i'm so goddamn indecisive i have no idea what i would get and would probably regret something i did get shortly after i got it.

i find many tattoos gaudy as hell, but well done ones are quite attractive.
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I would have thought that a forum that tries to be as accepting as this one wouldn't be so judgmental towards a person choosing to get tattoos and piercings.
Me too, actually, especially since our host has both. I come from a cultural background that is quite hostile to body mods generally, but I think it's best not to condemn other people's choices in this. In the interests of full disclosure, I suppose I should say that I have "vanilla" pierced ears (I don't know the correct term for one small hole in each ear-lobe), but I don't remember any particular emotional reaction to the piercing, other than satisfaction that I could wear a wider range of earrings.
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I would have thought that a forum that tries to be as accepting as this one wouldn't be so judgmental towards a person choosing to get tattoos and piercings.

I was thinking this as well but couldn't think of a good way to say it. Particularly statements saying modifications "ruin" your body or to that effect? That's obviously not the perspective of people who get them or admire them from a distance.

I think this is a great Facebook page for showing and promoting tattoo acceptance in workplaces. https://www.facebook.com/TattooedAndEmployed

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be sure you never want to try to get an office job if you are going to do some of the crazier gauges or tattoos on the hands/neck/face.

I don't have enough vitriol to respond to this at the moment, but seriously, this line (which is regularly an excuse to be an asshole, intentional or not) needs to fall in the ditch of dead and forgotten things.
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I think that (the message in the forum, not the view of body mods) is a pragmatic reminder of the prejudice, rather than a suggestion that it's appropriate. 
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I don't have enough vitriol to respond to this at the moment, but seriously, this line (which is regularly an excuse to be an asshole, intentional or not) needs to fall in the ditch of dead and forgotten things.

Its a statement of reality. I don't have to like that tattoos and piercings are seen as a negative in business to admit its true.

I mean, hell, I hate the whole facial hair stuff that most jobs do, but I can be honest that they DO it. Facial hair though is temporary, and I can head to the bathroom at any time and shave off my beard (even though I look better with it than without it).

While I will never judge someone for their choice of tattoo/piercings/hairstyle/love of having a crazy beard, I'm well aware that society as a whole DOES, and taking precautions from keeping it from affecting me, and telling other people to be wary of the reactions that can prevent them from making a living in a field they would prefer is in no way something to be angry about.
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The sentiment was more aimed at that rather common line than you, to be honest. The issue is that it regularly comes in after someone is taking about how totally OK they are that other people like this thing that's really gross and ruins how someone looks, or how drunk decisions lead to sober results. Being true does not make it any less condescending in many cases.

Basically, do you really think anyone who gets visible mods is not aware of the very real societal side effects?
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Basically, do you really think anyone who gets visible mods is not aware of the very real societal side effects?

I live in a college town and end up seeing a lot of people in their late teens, very early 20s, and I sincerely doubt 90% of them know where they are going to be in 10 years. I don't like seeing them close doors for themselves before they even figure out their place in life. So do I think people are aware of the societal side effects? Yes, I do. Do I think people are always aware of where they want their life to go, especially when they are just becoming an adult? No, not really. Do I think people in early college have an understanding of living in the "real world"? Some do, not all of them.

Don't take it personally. Its not directed at any single person. Its a generic piece of advice. One that I've known several people who could have had it stressed to them when they were younger. Hell, my brother has a scar on his face from having a tattoo removed that he had gotten in his early 20s when he was pretty much a bum with a guitar and no direction. Now, he has two different degrees in chemistry and works in a lab doing research and if I asked him when he got the tattoo if he saw himself going into this now, he probably wouldn't have known. (He still has a really nice chest piece though).

Is it condescending? No more than any other advice.

(Hell, I'm married, have two kids, one nearly a teenager, and I still can't tell you where I think I'm going to be in 10 years.)
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