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Neko_Ali:
Wait.. you consider the New Vegas Brotherhood to be radicals? To me it seemed that aside from Veronica and Elijah they were such traditionalists that it was literally killing them. The lack of recruiting and adapting to new ways had reduced them to a handful of members who locked themselves into a bunker. Even the Outcasts from Fallout 3 were better off. Lyon's Brotherhood was obviously a radical splinter faction. As was...

(click to show/hide)Ashur from the Pitt. Though he was really more of a rogue agent and not any kind of example of Brotherhood philosophy.
There is some indication in the videos they've shown that you may be able to ally with the Brotherhood again. Which is pretty traditional. But they also seem fine with have a larger presence in Boston, as indicated by the vertibirds and the Prydewen airship.

The only thing I think would be a problem with the idea of a nation wide summit is the difficulty and time of travel to a location. Not to mention difficulty in communication. The Brotherhood, Enclave and NCR seem to have long range communication systems, but they also seem unreliable. They are also very much at odds with each other. The Followers of the Apocalypse would probably be in favor of any kind of cooperation that would help the general populace. That would probably put them in well with Lyon's Brotherhood, but I don't think they have much of a presence on the East Coast. The rest of the major factions are not so interested in helping anyone but themselves. They worked with the NCR for a while, but split over political differences. But other groups like the Brotherhood tradtionalists, the Enclave or the Legion... I don't see any of those cooperating, ever. Unless it was briefly, to take on another group. And even then with very little trust. Basically most factions have no interest in cooperation. They just want all the resources for themselves.

Thrillho:
Except at the end McNamara acknowledged he had been wrong and said they'd be heading out more, didn't he?

So I'm replaying all the DLCs in an attempt to play the *most* complete run through of this game I've ever done. Honest Hearts was still a snore, Lonesome Road still kinda meh.

Dead Money was a bit of a revelation, because since I knew what it had coming for me, I could prepare for it and it was nowhere NEAR as infuriating. I was better at melee, better at stealth, a higher level and just better at the game. I really got much more into the characters, and got a much better sense of what a catastrophic turd Elijah really was.

I'm currently a little way through Old World Blues, which again now that I am better prepped is even better than the first time through. So much to do and explore, so many genuinely challenging enemies without it being frustrating, so much plunder (Elijah's tesla cannon ooooooh), so much great character work in the scientists and robots. It's really, really fantastic, possibly the best DLC out of the nine in the two games.

BenRG:

--- Quote from: Neko_Ali on 24 Aug 2015, 06:50 ---Wait.. you consider the New Vegas Brotherhood to be radicals? To me it seemed that aside from Veronica and Elijah they were such traditionalists that it was literally killing them. The lack of recruiting and adapting to new ways had reduced them to a handful of members who locked themselves into a bunker. Even the Outcasts from Fallout 3 were better off. Lyon's Brotherhood was obviously a radical splinter faction.
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To me, 'traditionalist' means 'radical', at least in terms of extra-Brotherhood politics

Regarding the summit, that's why I specified 'progressive' factions. There are groups, such as the remains of the Enclave and traditionalist Brotherhood chapters that would never be involved in it. Others, like House, would be very much only interested in this if it benefited them personally. I'd expect the NCR to have an attitude much like the Enclave's - We'll play but only if we get to be king.

However, although those groups are powerful, that doesn't change the fact that the independent and other rebuilding-minded groups are powerful in their own ways and, if they pooled resources, would be able to overcome issues like long-distance communications. The Couriers, for example, might be willing to extend their routes eastward if the East Coast factions could guarantee a degree of stability so that their people aren't fighting every step of the way. Then there are the crazies at Nellis who might be able to reinstate cross-continent air links if the Arroyo tribesfolk were able to restore the fuel production in their area with Brotherhood, Think Tank or NCR assistance.

However, I would think that the whole point of a 'Grand Summit' DLC would be for the player charater and allies basically having to identify and choke off plots from the Enclave Remnant, traditionalist Brotherhood chapters, radical imperialist factions with the NCR. Then there are the likely overt attempts to destroy the conference by the Enclave and whatever is left of the Legion.

Ron's Max Karma 'good' ending narration for that would be interesting to hear.

"The Sole Survivor, Courier Six and The Lone Wanderer all agreed that they hated the triumphal statue raised intheir honour on the banks of the Mississipi River where they finally and forever turned back the Legion, Enclave and those of the Brotherhood that chose to believe that they were superior to all other men. Frankly, no-one was particularly inclined to listen. Rose of Sharon Cassidy told them to 'fucking suck it up'.

"Joshua Graham, The Burned Man, simply reminded them of the power of symbols in giving hope and direction to the many."

Neko_Ali:
It would be funny for Cass to say that. I seem to remember her having a pretty low opinion of the similar statue of the NCR and Ranger outside the NCR way station to the Long 15.

I could see Ashur getting on board with a rebuilding effort. If he can deal with his Raider leadership... but I suspect after the Lone Wanderer rolled through there that situation was going to resolve itself one way or another. Ashur had good ideas... he just went for expediency over valuing human life to solve them. Going for long term gains via short term suffering. With a working steel mill and what looked like a lot of vehicle engines that could do a lot to help with cross country travel. The only ways to do it right now are via airship on a long, long walk. Only a few people have made that trip on foot. And most if not all were post-humans like Harold.

ChaoSera:
GUYS!
DO YOU REALIZE IT'S ONLY A LITTLE MORE THAN ONE MONTH UNTIL FALLOUT 4 COMES OUT?!

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