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Momo at Hannelores (With optional hugging)
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Angry Hannelore
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Dale asks Marigold out (With optional Awkward Zone)
- 9 (6.4%)
Marigold asks Dale out (With optional Momoglare)
- 29 (20.6%)
HappyDora at CoD
- 2 (1.4%)
HappyTai at Library
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Claire and Marten (With optional Clinton)
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Marten and Claire (With optional Emily)
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Penelope and Emily
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Penelope ane Emily AND Wil.
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Angus and Faye at the Railway Station
- 3 (2.1%)
Faye and Angus at the apartment
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Steve eats Cereal
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Cereal eats Steve
- 8 (5.7%)
Pintsize eats Waffles
- 1 (0.7%)
Waffles eat Pintzize
- 8 (5.7%)
Other (Specify)
- 1 (0.7%)
Other (Purple Monkey Dishwasher)
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Author Topic: WCDT: 2598-2602 (16-20 December 2013) Weekly Comics Discussion Thread  (Read 46251 times)

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Are we confusing/conflating the layout of the page with the layout of this particular comic? Jeph's departed from the four-stack before, though not often. Sam chasing the snake comes to mind, as does speed-beer Hannelore. In both cases, the departure worked, as it does this time.
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I can see why Jeph changed the comic format; the new one is much more flexible and thus probably more interesting to draw. The way the panels are laid out can also drastically change how the story is told.

Agreed - a big part of the emotional punch of today's strip lies in the different way it's laid out, I think.
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Are we confusing/conflating the layout of the page with the layout of this particular comic? Jeph's departed from the four-stack before, though not often. Sam chasing the snake comes to mind, as does speed-beer Hannelore. In both cases, the departure worked, as it does this time.

Yes, but the comic was still the same size. This one is wider and shorter.
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Marigold's fear, in my opinion, is the cure. She's been using Momo as a crutch so she doesn't have to learn how to deal the whole "being a social person" thing, despite that being exactly what Momo has been trying (not so subtly) to teach her. While I hope they make up, I also hope that Momo gets her own apartment or something like that. Doing all the heavy lifting in arranging a reconciliation with Dale created a bad precedent.
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I wonder if Momo might decide that getting her own apartment was appropriate "tough love".
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Interesting thought - would Momo want her own place? Would she be able to get one? Is being a companion AI not like a job, where she'd have to give notice or something? What would a robot do with their own place, since they don't need to eat, sleep, defecate or do any of the other human things that we prefer doing in our own homes if possible?
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I'm quite sure the new format means that each comic strip has a smaller size in total --> less QC per day.

Worth noting, the old size was 600x1417 versus the new size of 800x1160.  If you do multiply this out, you are in fact getting 77,800 more pixels of QC each day.


Oh, my bad. I didn't actually do the maths. It looked smaller. It still feels like it will fit less content per page - though possibly less content more excitingly drawn and arranged. Anyway, I'm very excited to see how it turns out!

Edit: I hope Momo doesn't move out. It would probably mean lots of personal growth for Marigold, which would be good, but I'd be sad to see the current arrangement beeing broken up. I think their relationship would lose some of its strength in the process. Anyway, I don't think Momo will want to move out; she probably just wants Marigold to understand how mean her behaviour was and to apologise accordingly.
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Interesting thought - would Momo want her own place? Would she be able to get one?
I can't help but think of the robot apartments from futurama. The main apartment was the size of a tiny closet as they didn't need much space, being robuts and all.  But they had massive closets for their stuff.
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Interesting thought - would Momo want her own place? Would she be able to get one? Is being a companion AI not like a job, where she'd have to give notice or something? What would a robot do with their own place, since they don't need to eat, sleep, defecate or do any of the other human things that we prefer doing in our own homes if possible?

Well, she'd have her own four walls, i.e. independence ... pretty much why humans move out from their parents place? The stuff you listed above? Actually, most of that you could do on a e.g. Uni Campus, if you're not too picky. Bonus points if you have an office there (I've once met the guy who works in the office next door down the Hallway in his pajamas at 1:00 in the morning. 'S'up? S'up!' - there's faculties where a certain dose of eccentricity is seen as sign of a healthy and creative mind ...)

Actually, what you suggest ties in with a thought that's been pestering me since the whole arc began - From a certain viewpoint, Marigold behaves a little bit like a parent who hasn't noticed her little one is almost all growed up until just now and is a bit hard pressed to deal with it -> Hands up everyone who got one or the other version of the "After all I've done for you!" - speech shortly before moving out? For apparently completely random stuff? That's sometimes how parents deal with the conflict between their fear of loosing this intense bond and their wish for the best for their offspring.
And Momo has really done some growing up in an emotional sense - look at Pintsize and Winslow! They're not dumb, or toys. But they're teenagers at best, totally dependent and fixated on their humans and seemingly content with it. It doesn't matter too critically for that viewpoint that Momo is more socially competent than Marigold, by virtue of downloaded database - up until recently, she was totally dependent on Marigold, all her life revoled around her, and it didn't seem to bother Momo.

I've re-read the chassis-arc just now: They really share a very deep and strong bond. And the new chassis was like an affirmation of that. That's why Momo is so hurt - Marigold seemed to have put a pricetag on that. But she didn't yell: "You're not the Boss of me!", she reacted like a mature, independent sentient being: She extracted herself from the situation and established her boundaries at the same time. She gave herself the time to express her hurt and frustration before making a decision. And the decision was to go back and try her best to repair the damage.

I don't think they will part ways - But I wouldn't be surprised if she'd establish some boundaries, and the means to ... well, establish them, if things are said in the heat of the moment again.
Her own place, bankaccount, etc. could be some of those means.


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Momo might want her own shower and a place to entertain guests, and a closet for her clothes. Aside from that, she could reside anywhere there was Internet access with which to conduct business.
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To conduct business? Surely you mean Marigold - Momo's business is working in the library...
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For now, yes ... who's to say she won't have aspirations?

EDIT: And of course don't we all have "business" beyond our Jay Oh Bee Ess, even if it"s the basic business of running our own lives?
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Also it's been months since the breakup...probably. It's impossible to know for sure.
Marigold is chubby
Yet not as chubby as she thinks she is.
Indeed!  It's so common for kids who are a little bit overweight and get picked on for it to learn to see themselves as much fatter than they are, and keep that perception into adulthood... I'm thinking that was likely a part of Marigold's experience with bullying.

I've had the impression that living with a human was part of the companion AI relationship, and Pintsize and Winslow seem happy with it.  My guess is that Momo doesn't want to move away from Marigold, she just needs Marigold to stop acting like a butt.
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To conduct business? Surely you mean Marigold - Momo's business is working in the library...

Personal business like paying bills, ordering clothes, renewing her driver's license, and whatnot.

She probably needs an Internet connection for software updates anyway.
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Also it's been months since the breakup...probably. It's impossible to know for sure.
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Indeed!  It's so common for kids who are a little bit overweight and get picked on for it to learn to see themselves as much fatter than they are, and keep that perception into adulthood...
Especially for women, still in this day and age.
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Ahahahahahaha. This comic made me laugh my Irish ass off.

"Huh... actually you were pretty smooth"

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Whee! New comic really shows the potential of the new layout. Not nearly so weird now.
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Wow, Dale's got like, 7 inches on Angus.

(height, y'all, height)
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Not sure if Jeph will read this, but if the new format allows him to do more panels where he can draw his characters top to bottom, then I'm all for it, because HOLY DANG is this strip good.
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I nominate the last panel for the next caption contest.
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ok, I've already so assimilated the new format that I suspect my browser is misbehaving when I page back to the archives, then I get a twang of disappointment when I realize that they're probably not going to get redrawn
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This is the hunter’s badge of glory,
That he protect and tend his quarry,
Hunt with honour, as is due,
And through the beast to God is true.
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Wow, Dale's got like, 7 inches on Angus.

(height, y'all, height)

I remember Dale being a tall bro was mentioned on a Q&A, but the new format makes it really obvious.
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Firstly, new layout is AMAZING! I'm so glad Jeph is branching out with his style; the past couple pages have felt much more dynamic already.

Secondly, I find it amusing how Faye admits that Angus was smooth in gettin' with her, as his early attempts weren't well received.
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She specified "in the end".
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I'm still not sure about the layout. I liked the documentary-like style of the comic. With a relatively fixed perspective, with stuff happening in the background. This new style seems to force a perspective on the reader, but that's just my opinion. I will probably get used to it, but it'll take some time.
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I am still ambigious about the new layout, but I'm slowly warming up to it.
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Marigold's sleep schedule seems to be off, or significant time must have passed between the last two strips.

I barely noticed the new panel layout. It's pretty comic-standard, and my brain just parsed it. It works fine, I think.
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To conduct business? Surely you mean Marigold - Momo's business is working in the library...

Personal business like paying bills, ordering clothes, renewing her driver's license, and whatnot.

She probably needs an Internet connection for software updates anyway.

Ah good point - I was thinking specifically of a business which she runs, which would probably describe Marigold's job, but of course it can be wider than that.

Loki, I suspect you mean ambivalent, in which case I'm with you on that. It could be great but at the moment I'm finding it a bit annoying to have to scroll down to see the whole of one panel (my screen is pretty small).
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Marigold's sleep schedule seems to be off, or significant time must have passed between the last two strips.

i think it might be the next day at this point, though eratic sleep schedules are commonly correlated with different types of depression.

I barely noticed the new panel layout. It's pretty comic-standard, and my brain just parsed it. It works fine, I think.

same here. panel layout & composition is one of those things one generally never notices unless it's either really awesome, or really terrible.
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Dale takes the road not taken by Marigold: he is actually ASKING for help instead of demanding help and ordering someone to do it for him...

Regarding the timeframe, it's probably the next morning which explains why Faye wasn't happy about closing for Hanners(closing then opening the next day is never a good thing...)
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And Dale is not asking someone else to do it for him, just for advice on how to do it himself. Good job, Dale! I think he will be good for Marigold.
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Oh, my bad. I didn't actually do the maths. It looked smaller. It still feels like it will fit less content per page - though possibly less content more excitingly drawn and arranged. Anyway, I'm very excited to see how it turns out!

I actually took out a second sentence where I added something like, "though you can make an argument there will be less content in this layout". I agree that was a valid concern yesterday. Fortunately, it looks like the content level was pretty good on the first "normal" strip drawn in this way.

My only minor beef at the moment about this all is that my RSS reader apparently renders content 576 pixels wide (scaling height accordingly). On the old style, this was a relatively non-noticeable 4% reduction in size (I say non-noticeable as I'd never noticed before!). Now this is a 28% reduction in size from the 800 pixel width comics. That makes the text pretty small. It is not unreadable, but it is enough to be frustrating.

This is all the fault of my RSS reader though and not Jeph. It is using the other 200 pixels on the side to have a mostly blank area with a list of three things "You might also like", two of which are things that I do like... okay. They aren't things I want to follow daily though.
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Angus is a good choice for a reason that hasn't been mentioned yet: he's likely to have some insight concerning Marigold's issues.
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My only minor beef at the moment about this all is that my RSS reader apparently renders content 576 pixels wide (scaling height accordingly). On the old style, this was a relatively non-noticeable 4% reduction in size (I say non-noticeable as I'd never noticed before!). Now this is a 28% reduction in size from the 800 pixel width comics. That makes the text pretty small. It is not unreadable, but it is enough to be frustrating.

This is all the fault of my RSS reader though and not Jeph. It is using the other 200 pixels on the side to have a mostly blank area with a list of three things "You might also like", two of which are things that I do like... okay. They aren't things I want to follow daily though.

In case anyone else is in the same boat as me with using RSS for Feedly in Firefox. You can add the following script to userContent.css to make the comic the correct size. I don't believe it should affect any of your other feeds. Comics before 2600 will look a little bit blurry as they are being scaled up to 800 pixels wide. The only other negative is that it does partially hide the "You Might Also Like" section. Everything else on the page flows normally around it though thankfully.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about using userContent.css. I think there is similar functionality for Google Chrome, but I am not sure exactly how to use it.

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Was there a mention somewhere of Marigold having a nonstandard sleep schedule? Something about Momo trying to get her up in the morning? This is a job for my superiors at archive-fu.

I need more coffee. I read Akima's post as saying that Hannelore had a disturbed sleep schedule. I almost commented that this was only to be expected.
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I wonder if Momo might decide that getting her own apartment was appropriate "tough love".

I highly doubt Momo would go so far as to move out, but if she did, the most likely result is Marigold retreating into her shell and not socializing anymore. Then it would be up to Hannelore to pull her back out (and maybe salvage things with Dale as well).

In other words, Momo moving out would just transfer her "responsibility" for Marigold to Hannelore. Either that, or we'd never see Marigold again since she'd no longer be socializing.
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Loki, I suspect you mean ambivalent, in which case I'm with you on that.

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Angus is a good choice for a reason that hasn't been mentioned yet: he's likely to have some insight concerning Marigold's issues.

Excellent point.  Probably the best person Dale could possibly talk to. Tho, really, pretty much anybody could tell Dale what to do right now: just think of a nice normal date activity like dinner or a movie and ask her.
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Not too fussed about the new layout, though it was a bit of a surprise when I first saw it.

So, Dale is to become Padawan to Master Angus eh?  Let's hope he doesn't fall to The Dark Side in all this.
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He may have just come over from the dark side, what with that whole creepy-stalker thing he tried...
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An uncharitable person might suggest that Dale and Marigold have both gone over to the dork side.
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An uncharitable person might suggest that Dale and Marigold have both gone over to the dork side.

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An uncharitable person might suggest that Dale and Marigold have both gone over to the dork side.
There's a spark of good even in the dorkest of hearts - Master Skywalker himself said there was!
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An uncharitable person might suggest that Dale and Marigold have both gone over to the dork side.

I hope they have Cookies

They have their own Tower.
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This new format makes me feel like I'm getting less comic for my money.
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