Topic: Re: POINTLESS THREAD IIb: ESCAPE FROM RAPTOR MOUNTAIN (Read 275119 times)

Actually it's kind of a bum-out that it was directly inspired by K-Beat's twitter, seeing as she basically took the extremely well-reasoned arguments in the tweets and turned into a hyperactive, hyperbolic mess that doesn't really achieve anything. I'm totally with the point she's attempting to make (and it's a point that desperately needed to be made and I admire the living hell out of Beaton for using her popularity as a soapbox with which to make it), but she basically turns the whole thing into a "aren't all men pigs?" thing which contradicts the entire exercise of the comic in the first place.

maxusy3k · « **Reply #3242 on:** 30 Oct 2010, 11:37 »

Chicks, right?

David_Dovey · « **Reply #3243 on:** 30 Oct 2010, 12:14 »

Quote from: maxusy3k on 30 Oct 2010, 11:37

Dilettantes, right?

FYP

Alex C · « **Reply #3244 on:** 30 Oct 2010, 14:35 »

Damn twitter. This is probably the only time I'll have ever been glad that Kate Beaton isn't more popular, since having to dig more than a page or two in to find the comment that sparked this whole thing would have just ended in me giving up.

Anyway, I can't believe that tweet is even a Thing. People are too defensive. Either you care enough about what the woman thought of what you said to apologize for saying something creepy or you don't. People aren't obligated to look at everything you say in the best possible light. God.

est · « **Reply #3245 on:** 30 Oct 2010, 18:38 »

I am mostly with Kate on the issue but I also think it isn't as cut & dried as that. If a dude does something I like sometimes I say that I want to have his manbabies, or that I'd go homo for him. It's a jovial turn of phrase, not an actual indication that I'd fuck him. Likewise with some female artists I'll say that I have a little crush on them or something. It's just a thing people say.

On the other hand though, these are things you say to your friends in an atmosphere of understanding, not something you send to the artist themselves, or say when you're standing at their Comicon table about to get something signed by them. The artist doesn't know you from a bar of soap. They don't know if you are mucking about or if you are about to reach across the table and go for a grope.

Alex C · « **Reply #3246 on:** 30 Oct 2010, 19:15 »

Yes, but the complication is that in this case the sexism that comes AFTER the original comment is if anything more problematic. After all, even your friends can offend you. Part of what makes friendship and trust possible is that we often simply accept quirks and boundaries with good grace even if those boundaries do not hit us as particularly sensible.

For example, I've got a friend who weighs at least 3 bills. In grade school I guess some other kids used to call him "House" and it wasn't in reference to a TV doctor. He makes the occasional self-deprecating fat joke, but he doesn't like it even when friends give him guff on the matter even if he knows we don't really think of him as wandering around with a badge of shame. I teased him about it once, he called me on it, and I just let it drop. Seemed a little silly to me since even he jokes about his weight and we are good friends and I mean him all the best in the world, but then, I'm on the outside looking in here. I don't really know how much bs he takes over this. So I let it slide because he doesn't want his weight to be a topic of public interest and I go with that because that's what friends do. Likewise, I prefer that people do not bring up my shitty handwriting.

With women, sexism and society, however, that's not often how it goes down. A woman setting down boundaries about sexually charged comments often really does end up on the defensive because the comments really are often parsed as an attack on men and there really are guys out there with a big ol' siege mentality on this subject. To put it bluntly, the male response to "Please don't call me babycakes" has often been "Man, don't be so uptight." Or even worse, "Justify why it's bad first, that way I can pick the argument to death-- and maybe afterwards slap your ass."

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #3247 on:** 30 Oct 2010, 19:54 »

Nodaisho · « **Reply #3248 on:** 30 Oct 2010, 20:12 »

Quote from: David_Dovey on 30 Oct 2010, 10:44

Actually it's kind of a bum-out that it was directly inspired by K-Beat's twitter, seeing as she basically took the extremely well-reasoned arguments in the tweets and turned into a hyperactive, hyperbolic mess that doesn't really achieve anything. I'm totally with the point she's attempting to make (and it's a point that desperately needed to be made and I admire the living hell out of Beaton for using her popularity as a soapbox with which to make it), but she basically turns the whole thing into a "aren't all men pigs?" thing which contradicts the entire exercise of the comic in the first place.

That's my problem with it. Sure, there are sexist pigs, but by portraying all men in that comic as sexist and all women as enlightened, she makes it seem like a sex warfare (which really doesn't sound right, but I don't know the right term) situation. She stereotypes men as sexists, which is in and of itself sexist (or bigoted, if you are one of the people that insists that sexist can only refer to stereotyping and diminishing of women).

Alex C · « **Reply #3249 on:** 30 Oct 2010, 20:14 »

It's a deeply frustrated comic with some histrionics attached but given the context I'm not about to dismiss it.

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