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RedWolf4:
I think your geopolitical airsoftcocks have been watching a bit too much Jack Bauer, Garand Mate. Bloody insulting to infer that trying to be the actual better man in all this shit is idealistic, not to mention stupid in that it gives stains like ISIS an actual basis for whatever propanganda they want to spout. Fucking half assed and short sighted is anyone who believes in torture, IMO.
hedgie:
It's just like Nietzsche's "he who fights monsters" bit.
jwhouk:
Or perhaps Orwell's "Animal Farm."
GarandMarine:
I'm just saying that I feel I don't have to lower myself to the level of the nearly sub-human scum who make up ISIS to effectively remove them from the universe, I'm confident enough in my skills as a warrior, and the skills of those around me to not need to. Janitors don't get down on the deck and crawl around, they get out a mop and a bucket with some chemicals.
I'd say Hedgie's on point, I was thinking Nietzsche... or you know, die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Nolan.
GarandMarine:
Some more highlights.
- Torture is worse than useless as an intelligence-gathering tool. We've known it for sixty years, the CIA knew it twenty years ago, and it's just been proven again that torture gets you no actionable intelligence, corrupts what once might have been viable sources of intelligence and produces false intelligence. Since it doesn't actually help us do anything, anyone who says that we "needed" to torture anyone is a fucking idiot.
- The CIA tortured at least two prisoners to death - one by beating him to death, one by use of exposure to the elements as a torture device.
- The CIA tortured two of their own spies for 24 hours before they bothered to translate the messages they had been sending to the CIA and realised who they were torturing.
- The CIA was recruiting abusers to act as torturers - these are not hard men making hard decisions for the good of the country, they are sick bastards who like inflicting pain on people who can't fight back.
- Waterboarding is torture, but anyone who tells you that this is the worst thing the CIA did to these people is lying. To paraphrase one particularly odious quote from the report, CIA medical officers wrote "Sure, an IV is a safe and effective way of hydrating prisoners who refuse to drink, but we're impressed with how subjecting them to anal rape makes them stop refusing to drink."
The CIA's torturers produced no useful intelligence, produced a lot of white noise, destroyed sources of intelligence, raped, killed, turned allies into enemies and broke international and American law. They have used no methodology and produced no intelligence that could benefit us by being kept classified to keep it out of the hands of the enemy, and deserve to be remembered as men who sold their souls - and were subsequently executed - for nothing.
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