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WCDT: 2796-2800 (22-26 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
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--- Quote from: Hybris on 26 Sep 2014, 10:36 ---I guess I don't see the how the whole Clare\Marten is such a popular idea, though that might be because I see Clare as a poorly built character more for Sesame Street shock value with her being trans (Yes I am aware of the admins post about this but this is still my opinion on the character) then as a serious long time 2 second line character like Raven or PenPen. Now is she as bad in all respects as Emily is? No not close.
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I'm confused as to how her being trans was played for shock value? I mean, it had a dramatic reveal, but not very, and it was the first time she told one of the main cast (or the audience), so the nervous going out of her way to tell him was understandable. Marten and Clinton didn't make in-comic drama about it directly following that either, which helped to mute the idea of it just being a token character for kicks or a (transphobic) laugh.
Lots of people here hate characters (you're not the only one annoyed by Emily, and then there's the against Marigold/Faye/etc? crowds), but I don't follow your reasoning behind it.
Alphawolf55:
--- Quote from: Hybris on 26 Sep 2014, 10:36 ---I guess I don't see the how the whole Clare\Marten is such a popular idea, though that might be because I see Clare as a poorly built character more for Sesame Street shock value with her being trans (Yes I am aware of the admins post about this but this is still my opinion on the character) then as a serious long time 2 second line character like Raven or PenPen. Now is she as bad in all respects as Emily is? No not close.
I'm putting money on this being a dream and Clare waking up nuzzling Pintsize who out of habit is being half way decent for reasons unknown.
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I mean I won't say that Claire is a shock value trans girl because she's clearly not, but I can see how someone might be a bit skeptical of Jeph at first since the way he introduced Gabby, Claire and Emily seemed a bit...off and the way he's done nothing with Gabby as well.
I can see why people like Marten/Clare, it's a cute couple, people like clare and the details speak to them personally. My only issue is that people are making HUGE assumptions about Marten that might blow up in everyones face. Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople or even if he does want to date transpeople, date Clare in particular.
Thedrd0nna:
That's an interesting juxtaposition to see Is It Cold In Here?'s post right before Hybris.
Hybris, I have found Claire to be a complex character, and extraordinarily well written. I'm not used to seeing trans people portrayed as people first, with the trans part being a facet rather than the sole component of their personality. That's not something the media generally does, and it's absolutely delightful to see it here. Here's the only other thing I will say in response to you:
Trans people are not here to shock you. If you have a problem with us being portrayed (sympathetically) in the media, then it's exactly that:your problem.
Half Empty Coffee Cup:
--- Quote from: Hybris on 26 Sep 2014, 10:36 ---I guess I don't see the how the whole Clare\Marten is such a popular idea, though that might be because I see Clare as a poorly built character more for Sesame Street shock value with her being trans (Yes I am aware of the admins post about this but this is still my opinion on the character) then as a serious long time 2 second line character like Raven or PenPen. Now is she as bad in all respects as Emily is? No not close.
I'm putting money on this being a dream and Clare waking up nuzzling Pintsize who out of habit is being half way decent for reasons unknown.
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Well. Off to the bomb shelter. 'Cause this post is radioactive.
Honkytonk:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 26 Sep 2014, 10:34 ---Welcome, latest new people!
Some things you should know in advance: first, QC is a comic about people doing stupid things. Claire is smarter than the average character but remember that if she does something stupid it won't be an attack on trans people in general.
The other thing, closely related, is that Jeph has done a widely praised good job at making Claire an individual, and not The Trans Character. Anything she says or does is just her and not a Message.
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Whether it was aimed at me or not, I might be guilty of implying this in my first post and would just like to say I understand both of those points - I oft forget of Claire as trans until I remind myself, and that, I think, is kind of the point? (apologies if not) She is a good, rounded character with her own foibles and issues, and far from just 'the trans one'. I have huge respect for Jeph in this.
For anyone (like me) who wants to go back and find the Wedding arc it starts roundabout here.
Really looking forward to being part of the forum, and please, pick me up on anything if I make a tit out of myself.
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