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WCDT: 2796-2800 (22-26 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Thedrd0nna:
--- Quote from: Orkboy on 26 Sep 2014, 11:35 ---
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--- Quote from: Alphawolf55 on 26 Sep 2014, 10:58 ---Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople
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That -is- transphobic, though. To have internalized disgust of the mere thought of us in the abstract. If I said "The thought of being in a relationship with an asian person disturbs me and I don't think I could date someone like that" then that is unquestionably racist. People completely have the right to not have relationships or whatever with any person for any reason (or lack thereof), but that doesn't change the facts of the underlying bias and othering involved. A statement like "not wanting to date trans people (and more specifically trans -women-)" inevitably rests on a basis of transphobia and cissexism because of where the thoughts behind it originate.
We know Marten likes girls. Trans girls are -girls-, ergo he likes trans girls. There also isn't some universal defining characteristic in common to all trans girls outside of actually being girls. Not that that's the reason for the repulsed response in the first place. It's mostly just the widespread transmisogyny in our culture, which paints us as disgusting abstract objects rather than actual people, seeping through.
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Telling you why you're wrong would require me to speculate about Claire's parts, which we've been told not to do.
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This would appear to be making an assumption about which parts a trans person has. Pretty much by definition, trans people can have any combination of expected parts. If you're making broad assumptions about what someone is packing, based on them being trans-well, you're gonna be wrong, pretty frequently.
Valdís:
--- Quote from: Orkboy on 26 Sep 2014, 11:35 ---Telling you why you're wrong would require me to speculate about Claire's parts, which we've been told not to do.
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See:
--- Quote from: Valdís on 26 Sep 2014, 11:30 ---That -is- transphobic, though. To have internalized disgust of the mere thought of us in the abstract. If I said "The thought of being in a relationship with an asian person disturbs me and I don't think I could date someone like that" then that is unquestionably racist. People completely have the right to not have relationships or whatever with any person for any reason (or lack thereof), but that doesn't change the facts of the underlying bias and othering involved. A statement like "not wanting to date trans people (and more specifically trans -women-)" inevitably rests on a basis of transphobia and cissexism because of where the thoughts behind it originate.
We know Marten likes girls. Trans girls are -girls-, ergo he likes trans girls. There also isn't some universal defining characteristic in common to all trans girls outside of actually being girls. Not that that's the reason for the repulsed response in the first place. It's mostly just the widespread transmisogyny in our culture, which paints us as disgusting abstract objects rather than actual people, seeping through.
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That is such nonsense regardless, though, and probably more indicative of you still thinking of us as men in some capacity as though it had anything to do with it (See: practically every guy's voiced insecurities about such things ever). Most people tend to be able to figure out if they're into someone -without- inspecting their genitalia, as it happens.
Especially considering the absurd porn-fueled misconceptions of how most trans girls actually tend to feel about it or involving it. Hint: Sex between trans girls ain't like in the movies.
Zebediah:
--- Quote from: Honkytonk on 26 Sep 2014, 11:04 ---I oft forget of Claire as trans until I remind myself, and that, I think, is kind of the point? (apologies if not)
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That is EXACTLY the point. And welcome to the forum.
Alphawolf55:
--- Quote from: Orkboy on 26 Sep 2014, 11:35 ---
--- Quote from: Valdís on 26 Sep 2014, 11:30 ---
--- Quote from: Alphawolf55 on 26 Sep 2014, 10:58 ---Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople
--- End quote ---
That -is- transphobic, though. To have internalized disgust of the mere thought of us in the abstract. If I said "The thought of being in a relationship with an asian person disturbs me and I don't think I could date someone like that" then that is unquestionably racist. People completely have the right to not have relationships or whatever with any person for any reason (or lack thereof), but that doesn't change the facts of the underlying bias and othering involved. A statement like "not wanting to date trans people (and more specifically trans -women-)" inevitably rests on a basis of transphobia and cissexism because of where the thoughts behind it originate.
We know Marten likes girls. Trans girls are -girls-, ergo he likes trans girls. There also isn't some universal defining characteristic in common to all trans girls outside of actually being girls. Not that that's the reason for the repulsed response in the first place. It's mostly just the widespread transmisogyny in our culture, which paints us as disgusting abstract objects rather than actual people, seeping through.
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Telling you why you're wrong would require me to speculate about Claire's parts, which we've been told not to do.
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Pretty much this and even if we could we have no idea how transitioning is different in the QC universe compared to our own their science is far more advanced which could have implications as well.
Nyithra:
There is some stuff I want to say about this but I really think we need to move away from any sort of parts discussion.
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