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WCDT: 2796-2800 (22-26 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Valdís:
That sure is a lot of bullshit right there, Orkboy.
The fact that your emphasized "counter-argument" example is "Are you calling straight men homophobic for not wanting a gay relationship, then!?" is really telling.
And no, a specific aesthetic preference is not at all the same damn thing as "I don't date asian people because the thought of being with them disturbs me". That is friggin' blatantly obvious. I doubt you could find someone who genuinely was disgusted at the thought of being with a brown-haired girl, without some underlying triggers, to explain their preference for blondes. Where as we actually do have uncountable examples of the media showing people perfectly happy to be intimate with trans women, have no issues with their bodies, and then afterwards LITERALLY PROJECTILE VOMITING DUE TO THE MERE THOUGHT OF HAVING BEEN WITH ONE OF THESE CREATURES.
So don't tell me it's the same fucking thing.
Edit: And don't talk to me as though repulsion is the same as a "sexual hangup", either. I know about having sex-repulsion issues a-plenty. Being repulsed by a minority class is not a "reasonable thing", but sex-repulsion -doesn't have to be reasonable-. It can be really random things, a variety triggers, or like in this case from a systematic societal monstering. No one is entitled to any intimacy ever. But that doesn't mean it's not transphobic and cissexist.
Roxtar:
--- Quote from: Valdís on 26 Sep 2014, 11:30 ---
--- Quote from: Alphawolf55 on 26 Sep 2014, 10:58 ---Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople
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That -is- transphobic, though. To have internalized disgust of the mere thought of us in the abstract. If I said "The thought of being in a relationship with an asian person disturbs me and I don't think I could date someone like that" then that is unquestionably racist. People completely have the right to not have relationships or whatever with any person for any reason (or lack thereof), but that doesn't change the facts of the underlying bias and othering involved. A statement like "not wanting to date trans people (and more specifically trans -women-)" inevitably rests on a basis of transphobia and cissexism because of where the thoughts behind it originate.
We know Marten likes girls. Trans girls are -girls-, ergo he likes trans girls. There also isn't some universal defining characteristic in common to all trans girls outside of actually being girls. Not that that's the reason for the repulsed response in the first place. It's mostly just the widespread transmisogyny in our culture, which paints us as disgusting abstract objects rather than actual people, seeping through.
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I disagree... it depends on motivations and reasons for dating.
I am a straight male who was born and identifies as a male.
I want to eventually father children (both biologically and in the parental sense).
because of that, I date women with the idea of possibly starting a family in the future.
As trans women cannot bear children, that would be a legitimate reason to exclude trans women from my dating pool without considering them "repulsive".
refusing to date people of $orientation is not $orientation-phobic if that orientation is in conflict with your own dating/relationship goals.
reicreature:
I posted about this earlier, but deleted the post because I felt it would provide a launch pad to offensive commentary...
But I am going to summarize what I said earlier with this:
Dating a trans person is not different from dating any other person. If you have affection for and are attracted to a person, you are attracted and affectionate and other details become minor.
Orkboy:
--- Quote from: Valdís on 26 Sep 2014, 12:16 ---That sure is a lot of bullshit right there, Orkboy.
The fact that your emphasized "counter-argument" example is "Are you calling straight men homophobic for not wanting a gay relationship, then!?" is really telling.
And no, a specific aesthetic preference is not at all the same damn thing as "I don't date asian people because the thought of being with them disturbs me". That is friggin' blatantly obvious. I doubt you could find someone who genuinely was disgusted at the thought of being with a brown-haired girl, without some underlying triggers, to explain their preference for blondes. Where as we actually do have uncountable examples of the media showing people perfectly happy to be intimate with trans women, have no issues with their bodies, and then afterwards LITERALLY PROJECTILE VOMITING DUE TO THE MERE THOUGH OF HAVING BEEN WITH ONE OF THESE CREATURES.
So don't tell me it's the same fucking thing.
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I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing Marten and Claire, not the media portrayal of trans relationships. If you want the latter, there's a whole thread for it in the Discuss board.
EDIT: Also, I think it's the general consensus that the media is wrong about everything else trans related.
Nyithra:
Actually, I read about the possibility of uterus transplants a few months ago. Sweden is apparently doing them successfully. I might imagine since the QC universe has more advanced technology than our own, the whole "what if marten wants kids?!" things might not particularly be an issue.
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