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WCDT: 2796-2800 (22-26 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Valdís:
--- Quote from: Orkboy on 26 Sep 2014, 12:19 ---I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing Marten and Claire, not the media portrayal of trans relationships.
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Marten and Claire is a media portrayal of a (potential) relationship with a trans girl.
You're the one deciding to utterly ignore all context and make ridiculous comparisons to liking hair-colours, as if that societal bias doesn't exist. It is not some innocent 'preference' arrived at in a vacuum. It is arrived at through normalized transmisogyny.
TheEvilDog:
Aaaaand I'm going to go to the fallout bunker before this thread goes nuclear.
Or perhaps we can all be grown ups and move along.
Although I do realise saying that on the internet is about as futile as trying to stop a tidal wave with a piece of wet tissue paper.
Masterpiece:
There goes the fifteen page dream
Valdís:
--- Quote from: Roxtar on 26 Sep 2014, 12:17 ---I am a straight male who was born and identifies as a male.
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Separating 'being X' from 'identifying as X' is cissexist, fyi. I'm not a "male identifying as female"; I am female.
--- Quote from: Roxtar on 26 Sep 2014, 12:17 ---I disagree... it depends on motivations and reasons for dating.
I want to eventually father children (both biologically and in the parental sense).
because of that, I date women with the idea of possibly starting a family in the future.
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That is not excluding someone due to their transness. That is excluding all people incapable of getting pregnant (though not necessarily of reproducing*). Specifying "I don't date trans women" indicates otherwise as you don't demand fertility information from cis women.
*Wouldn't that be more of an issue as to whether or not SHE wants biological kids? Could simply raise yours-by-donated-cells, otherwise.
--- Quote from: Roxtar on 26 Sep 2014, 12:17 ---refusing to date people of $orientation is not $orientation-phobic
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"Orientation"
Oh, and actually it is in many cases even then. Lots of people refuse to date bisexual/pansexual people for very, very biphobic underlying reasons to do with their concepts of those groups.
KOK:
--- Quote from: Valdís on 26 Sep 2014, 12:06 ---
--- Quote from: Nyithra on 26 Sep 2014, 12:00 ---There is some stuff I want to say about this but I really think we need to move away from any sort of parts discussion.
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Also this. Though paper-thin euphemisms for the same sort of discussion isn't really moving away from it, people.
"But of course it's totally legit and non-transphobic to find you people, as a class, unattractive because ~reasons~" isn't exactly hard to figure out.
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Making controversial claims in a forum where the effective counterargument is forbidden is a poor form of debate. If you do not want people to refer to this, even obliquely, you should not make a statement like "dating a trans woman is like dating any other woman." That kind of statement will bring out counterarguments, and these arguments will concern that which is off limits here. You are responsible for this when you make such a claim.
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