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WCDT: 2811-2815 (13-17 October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
swapna:
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While there are certainly instances of Sven being shitty, Dora cutting Sven out of her life has never really made sense to me. He has counseled her and helped her feel better. Sven let Dora live with him after she and Marten broke up. He seems like a pretty good brother who supports his sister.
Additionally, Sven is not the bad guy he's made out to be around these parts. He tried to offer Marten insight so Marten and Dora could become a better couple. He also took Hannelore on a pretend date. Faye even started being nice to him.
To get back to Dora, there has been at least one instance where Dora assumed the worst about Sven without being right ("Dora, it's been MONTHS since I hooked up with ANYBODY. That's not who I am anymore. Which you'd know, if you ever bothered to ask.") Dora hasn't seen Sven in the comic, on screen, since 2194. I don't think it would be a reach to guess that Dora hasn't talked to Sven in a while and has never bothered to consider his feelings.
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You hit the nail right on the head - Sven's not perfect and the 'I love you Faye'-Arc makes him a lot more immature than he has before, but he's a good brother. It's Dora who'll forbid him to have romantic relations with her employees (even though it's none of her business who Raven, Faye or Sven sleep with), will physically assault him when he hurt Faye and he still puts up with her.
aphanisis81:
--- Quote from: swapna on 13 Oct 2014, 05:25 ---
--- Quote from: lot_jockey on 12 Oct 2014, 22:27 ---
While there are certainly instances of Sven being shitty, Dora cutting Sven out of her life has never really made sense to me. He has counseled her and helped her feel better. Sven let Dora live with him after she and Marten broke up. He seems like a pretty good brother who supports his sister.
Additionally, Sven is not the bad guy he's made out to be around these parts. He tried to offer Marten insight so Marten and Dora could become a better couple. He also took Hannelore on a pretend date. Faye even started being nice to him.
To get back to Dora, there has been at least one instance where Dora assumed the worst about Sven without being right ("Dora, it's been MONTHS since I hooked up with ANYBODY. That's not who I am anymore. Which you'd know, if you ever bothered to ask.") Dora hasn't seen Sven in the comic, on screen, since 2194. I don't think it would be a reach to guess that Dora hasn't talked to Sven in a while and has never bothered to consider his feelings.
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You hit the nail right on the head - Sven's not perfect and the 'I love you Faye'-Arc makes him a lot more immature than he has before, but he's a good brother. It's Dora who'll forbid him to have romantic relations with her employees (even though it's none of her business who Raven, Faye or Sven sleep with), will physically assault him when he hurt Faye and he still puts up with her.
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Don't forget how he helped Wil and Penelope - perhaps the longest-standing couple in QC - get together. I agree, Sven has done a few shitty things, but cheating on Faye is the only one that's even remotely the business of the main cast. And even that is a bit of a gray area, since they were technically FWB. Yes, Faye had made it clear that she'd bail if he fucked anyone else, but that doesn't make them a couple; that's just setting terms for the FWB arrangement.
McFace:
--- Quote from: aphanisis81 on 13 Oct 2014, 05:33 ---Don't forget how he helped Wil and Penelope - perhaps the longest-standing couple in QC - get together. I agree, Sven has done a few shitty things, but cheating on Faye is the only one that's even remotely the business of the main cast. And even that is a bit of a gray area, since they were technically FWB. Yes, Faye had made it clear that she'd bail if he fucked anyone else, but that doesn't make them a couple; that's just setting terms for the FWB arrangement.
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I agree with this to a point. I don't think it was a simple as just FWB. Maybe if that had occurred only after they had sex the first couple of times, but I do think that Faye and Sven might have actually ended up in a relationship if he hadn't slept around. Which is why it exploded in the manner that it did.
But yes, it is still a bit of a grey area.
plusorminus:
--- Quote from: Akima on 13 Oct 2014, 01:37 ---I wonder if Faye is recalling the words of (I think) John Lennon: "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans," and realising that it happens while you're carefully not making other plans too. She's been drifting as much as Marten has.
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I love your avatar! I miss that show.
To your Faye point, I'm not sure that it's fair to say she's drifting. She's a person who saw her dad blow his brains out in front of her and spent much of the immediate time after that and school bailing when things threatened to get too real for her. CoD, Marten and their group of friends represents the first time she felt safe in putting down roots, and since Jeph has said that as of strip 1400, anywhere from six months to two years has passed. She had just started undergoing therapy and hadn't even been seeing Angus at that point. And 1400 was after the Sven situation self-destructed, which may have shaken her confidence. In comic age, she's in her early 20s. Being assistant manager at a coffeeshop where she has made great friends is not the worst thing in the world for her right now. I'm sure she'll have ambitions to branch out at some point, but I don't think she's been drifting at all.
And I'm a little perplexed at those who are trying to make Sven out as some sort of saint. No, he's not a completely reprehensible human being, but lest we forget, he tried to use Marten as a shield to get away from an ex, more or less told Penny he would bang her IF she weren't with Wil, not IF he weren't already with Faye, broke their agreement and had to be shamed by his intern into telling her, and was an ass to Faye at the sledding party when she was there with Angus minding her own business. No, that doesn't give Dora permission to be self-righteous, but this isn't Gandhi we're talking about.
BenRG:
It deserves repeating: Sven isn't bad, he's just self-absorbed almost to the point of parody. He literally doesn't care about anyone's feelings except his own. He and he alone matters; he'd be shocked if he was told that he hurt someone (and even offended at the implication that he acted in bad faith towards them) but he wouldn't change his ways because... hey... he wants something, why shouldn't he get it?
The only thing that seems to limit him is that he has a limited appetite for pain (including the pain you get from being told off by a forceful personality). So, he'll actively try to anticipate and avoid actions that will get Dora and Lydia angry at him. That said, it's still essentially selfish - he wants to avoid dealing with their anger because it causes him trouble; he doesn't really seem to understand why those behaviours make them angry only that they do.
In other words, both Dora and Sven have serious emotional/behavioural issues. Their parents really have a lot to answer for.
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