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WCDT: 2811-2815 (13-17 October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
aphanisis81:
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--- Quote from: Akima on 13 Oct 2014, 01:37 ---I wonder if Faye is recalling the words of (I think) John Lennon: "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans," and realising that it happens while you're carefully not making other plans too. She's been drifting as much as Marten has.
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I love your avatar! I miss that show.
To your Faye point, I'm not sure that it's fair to say she's drifting. She's a person who saw her dad blow his brains out in front of her and spent much of the immediate time after that and school bailing when things threatened to get too real for her. CoD, Marten and their group of friends represents the first time she felt safe in putting down roots, and since Jeph has said that as of strip 1400, anywhere from six months to two years has passed. She had just started undergoing therapy and hadn't even been seeing Angus at that point. And 1400 was after the Sven situation self-destructed, which may have shaken her confidence. In comic age, she's in her early 20s. Being assistant manager at a coffeeshop where she has made great friends is not the worst thing in the world for her right now. I'm sure she'll have ambitions to branch out at some point, but I don't think she's been drifting at all.
And I'm a little perplexed at those who are trying to make Sven out as some sort of saint. No, he's not a completely reprehensible human being, but lest we forget, he tried to use Marten as a shield to get away from an ex, more or less told Penny he would bang her IF she weren't with Wil, not IF he weren't already with Faye, broke their agreement and had to be shamed by his intern into telling her, and was an ass to Faye at the sledding party when she was there with Angus minding her own business. No, that doesn't give Dora permission to be self-righteous, but this isn't Gandhi we're talking about.
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No, he's certainly not a saint. No one in the cast is. I think what he said to Penny about what he'd want to do if Wil didn't "have dibs" was kind of in good fun, and to be fair, Sven and Faye didn't HAVE an agreement. I realize it's a technicality, and I'm not trying to defend him, but I assume he's telling the truth when he says "I never said I wouldn't fuck anyone else."
Sledding party, sure, douchey.
Rereading the Marten-as-shield arc is strange. It's like a completely different comic. That storyline just wouldn't happen now, I don't think. At any rate, I think Faye comes out looking the worst in that one.
Anyway, I'm not saying Sven is an awesome, blameless guy or anything, but I think his whole Alpha Indie Manwhore identity brings him more scorn than he really deserves.
Thrillho:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 13 Oct 2014, 06:02 ---It deserves repeating: Sven isn't bad, he's just self-absorbed almost to the point of parody.
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That drunk fucking linked earlier in the thread suggests otherwise.
aphanisis81:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 13 Oct 2014, 06:02 ---It deserves repeating: Sven isn't bad, he's just self-absorbed almost to the point of parody. He literally doesn't care about anyone's feelings except his own. He and he alone matters; he'd be shocked if he was told that he hurt someone (and even offended at the implication that he acted in bad faith towards them) but he wouldn't change his ways because... hey... he wants something, why shouldn't he get it?
In other words, both Dora and Sven have serious emotional/behavioural issues. Their parents really have a lot to answer for.
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I agree that Sven isn't bad, but what you go on to describe him as is basically the standard definition of a sociopath...
aphanisis81:
--- Quote from: Gareth on 13 Oct 2014, 06:07 ---
--- Quote from: BenRG on 13 Oct 2014, 06:02 ---It deserves repeating: Sven isn't bad, he's just self-absorbed almost to the point of parody.
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That drunk fucking linked earlier in the thread suggests otherwise.
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Because of the Faye issue or because he's, as others have suggested, taking advantage of a drunk woman?
plusorminus:
--- Quote from: aphanisis81 on 13 Oct 2014, 06:06 ---
No, he's certainly not a saint. No one in the cast is. I think what he said to Penny about what he'd want to do if Wil didn't "have dibs" was kind of in good fun, and to be fair, Sven and Faye didn't HAVE an agreement. I realize it's a technicality, and I'm not trying to defend him, but I assume he's telling the truth when he says "I never said I wouldn't fuck anyone else."
Sledding party, sure, douchey.
Rereading the Marten-as-shield arc is strange. It's like a completely different comic. That storyline just wouldn't happen now, I don't think. At any rate, I think Faye comes out looking the worst in that one.
Anyway, I'm not saying Sven is an awesome, blameless guy or anything, but I think his whole Alpha Indie Manwhore identity brings him more scorn than he really deserves.
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I hear you on that. And I get that people like who they like in this comic, and that's cool. I'm a huge fan of Dora. I'm not super-big on Sven. I just find it weird that when people bring up his manwhorish ways, it spins off into the few times he didn't act like a prick. But with Dora, no one mentions how she kept Marigold's room from being declared a biohazard and directly introduced Hanners and Marigold to their respective BFFs, or how despite the rockiness from their first meeting, she gave Cosette a job at the coffee shop when she needed it, or how she didn't put up much of a fuss when Marten refused to countenance living in an apartment sans Faye, or the fact that she allows Jim to dump a kid who doesn't care for her much at her place of business when it suits.
No, no one in this comic is a saint, but I just get weirded out by the implicit Dora-hate sometimes. I'll get over it.
At any rate, as much as I like Dora, when I ran across that comic I referenced in a post I made upthread, I was literally shocked. I can't wrap my head around Dora being caring-sister one moment and then the next it's all "Welp! Guess I don't have a brother anymore!" Dora can be irrational at times, but that's on another level. Not that it means much, but she is in therapy and has a girlfriend who is crazy about her and whose motives Dora does not have to doubt. If anything, she should be more mellow, not all "RAWR!"
Which makes me think that something happened off-screen. We see Cosette telling Dora about what happened, and the next is Dora striding into CoD "brother-free," which suggests that in the intervening time, she confronted Sven and they argued and possibly Sven said some stuff that Dora can't forgive or forget. This could impact directly on Faye-Angus, because the "I don't have a brother" thing is a bomb yet to be exploded and I can't imagine Faye, having to deal with all she has to deal with right now, taking too kindly to that.
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