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WCDT: 2811-2815 (13-17 October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
eschaton:
--- Quote from: mvdwege on 12 Oct 2014, 22:34 ---Not necessarily so. Jeph doesn't do static characters. Faye already developed past the worst of her social anxieties, an honest try at a long distance relationship might even be what she needs to get past her abandonment issues.
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I think Faye believes she can deal with a LTR, but when push comes to shove, it's not going to work. She's going to start worrying about Angus meeting all kinds of hot hipster girls in NYC and leaving her. Then she's going to feel guilty about worrying about it, which turn to self-loathing - wondering why she's doing so bad a the whole long-distance thing. And once she starts down that road, she could easily jump to just thinking she was a bad person/shitty girlfriend - and what do shitty girlfriends do?
To be honest though, I think it won't work out more for meta/story purposes than anything. At least one of the dateable (i.e., non Hanners) human main characters needs to be single at any given time for story purposes. And the re-introduction of Sven (who seems to have essentially lost any of the budding emotional growth/self awareness he began showing after screwing things up with Faye initially) suggests there is some drama purpose to him being in the strip again.
--- Quote from: BenRG on 13 Oct 2014, 01:31 ---Okay, a little bit more from my last prediction (and this time a happy/melancholy one). At the end of their discussion (Thursday's strip), Angus pulls out a promise ring and tells Faye that he knows the months ahead are going to be tough but that he wants them to be together. Faye is flabbergasted and, after Angus slips on the promise ring, the two kiss in the middle of CoD. Dora is looking past them with a shocked expression. Last panel is Sven watching the Angus/Faye PDA looking like someone's cut out his heart with an apple corer.
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I know you've posted about this before, but this just seems so insane to me. People with college degrees just don't get married very frequently in their early 20s any longer. Hell, I felt in the young side for my circle of friends getting married at age 29 - I only knew one or two people who got married younger than me. I don't think that would be anywhere near on the mind of Angus, and it's exactly the wrong thing to do with Faye, IMHO.
--- Quote from: plusorminus on 13 Oct 2014, 05:59 ---And I'm a little perplexed at those who are trying to make Sven out as some sort of saint. No, he's not a completely reprehensible human being, but lest we forget, he tried to use Marten as a shield to get away from an ex, more or less told Penny he would bang her IF she weren't with Wil, not IF he weren't already with Faye, broke their agreement and had to be shamed by his intern into telling her, and was an ass to Faye at the sledding party when she was there with Angus minding her own business. No, that doesn't give Dora permission to be self-righteous, but this isn't Gandhi we're talking about.
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Broadly agreed. Sven is a very flawed individual, and is capable of great havoc even when he has the best intentions.
That said, while I feel fairly sure more Faye/Sven drama is in the cards, I don't know what will happen exactly. People seem to be assuming that Sven will be the aggressor and Faye the hapless victim. But I could just as easily see a situation (after months of tension built) where Faye made a (drunken) pass at Sven, who (following a weekend cliffhanger) decided to wise up for once and turn her down.
--- Quote from: Gareth on 13 Oct 2014, 06:36 ---The latter. If he was equally drunk which still isn't necessarily acceptable, he certain had a remarkably lucid thought pattern for a drunk man.
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The point of the internal monologue was to show how fucked-up his own mental processes are. That he just saw everything that was happening as something he was watching, rather than of his own volition. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions.
More broadly speaking, while I never had an active enough sex life when I was unattached to count, I'm pretty sure that most men have at least one mutually tipsy encounter with a woman in their lives. That doesn't make it date rape. And as for Sven personally, the comic seems to intimate he can charm the pants (literally) off nearly any woman stone-cold sober. The alcohol was needed to make his judgement questionable, not hers.
swapna:
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--- Quote from: BenRG on 13 Oct 2014, 06:02 ---It deserves repeating: Sven isn't bad, he's just self-absorbed almost to the point of parody.
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That drunk fucking linked earlier in the thread suggests otherwise.
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Because of the Faye issue or because he's, as others have suggested, taking advantage of a drunk woman?
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The latter. If he was equally drunk which still isn't necessarily acceptable, he certain had a remarkably lucid thought pattern for a drunk man.
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I don't think there's any indication that they're anything more than buzzed, and there's certainly no indication that Sven is taking advantage or being pushy. In fact, I don't see any way to read Gina's expression in the first panel as anything other than "I am SO gonna fuck this guy."
I fully understand the discourse about consent and the muddling role that alcohol plays in it, but are we realistically going to say that two adults can't meet in a bar, have a few drinks, and then go have sex, without it being considered sexual assault? That seems hysterical to me.
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I'm with aphanisis81 on that one - look at how they interact. She takes the initiative, and his thoughts/body language indicate that he's more passive than usual, because he's thinking of Faye. Not saying that his behaviour is great, on the contrary, but sexual assault? Really? :psyduck:
aphanisis81:
--- Quote from: swapna on 13 Oct 2014, 07:33 ---
--- Quote from: aphanisis81 on 13 Oct 2014, 07:02 ---
--- Quote from: Gareth on 13 Oct 2014, 06:36 ---
--- Quote from: aphanisis81 on 13 Oct 2014, 06:09 ---
--- Quote from: Gareth on 13 Oct 2014, 06:07 ---
--- Quote from: BenRG on 13 Oct 2014, 06:02 ---It deserves repeating: Sven isn't bad, he's just self-absorbed almost to the point of parody.
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That drunk fucking linked earlier in the thread suggests otherwise.
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Because of the Faye issue or because he's, as others have suggested, taking advantage of a drunk woman?
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The latter. If he was equally drunk which still isn't necessarily acceptable, he certain had a remarkably lucid thought pattern for a drunk man.
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I don't think there's any indication that they're anything more than buzzed, and there's certainly no indication that Sven is taking advantage or being pushy. In fact, I don't see any way to read Gina's expression in the first panel as anything other than "I am SO gonna fuck this guy."
I fully understand the discourse about consent and the muddling role that alcohol plays in it, but are we realistically going to say that two adults can't meet in a bar, have a few drinks, and then go have sex, without it being considered sexual assault? That seems hysterical to me.
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I'm with aphanisis81 on that one - look at how they interact. She takes the initiative, and his thoughts/body language indicate that he's more passive than usual, because he's thinking of Faye. Not saying that his behaviour is great, on the contrary, but sexual assault? Really? :psyduck:
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To be fair, I don't know if Gareth is equating "taking advantage" with "sexual assault." But it does seem like splitting hairs to say, in this case, that there's a big difference. If the issue is that booze interfered with the legitimacy of her consent, then there's really no difference at all.
Method of Madness:
They both have drunk bubbles, and his mind is clearly elsewhere. I can't see how that's "taking advantage of someone" on his part.
Thrillho:
In fairness I didn't say sexual assault, or even necessarily 'taking advantage'... I was merely indicating that, were you sober and having sex with someone who was drunk, that would make you a bad person, which is also, in fairness, not necessarily the case.
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