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WCDT: 2816-2820 (20-24 October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
ReindeerFlotilla:
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 20 Oct 2014, 01:39 ---You should check out the word you used. This post isn't necessarily incorrect, but the word you used before is ONUS. As in, the duty, the responsibility. He may have to put more work into this to get the relationship to work, but its not in any way his DUTY to do so.
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If he wants things to work, it is something he's going to have to take responsibility for.
Onus is a duty OR responsibility, using only google to look it up. Interestingly, if you check with various dictionary sources, you get different definitions entirely. It turns out onus is a word that has many meanings. Who'd have thunk it?
The most common first definition of the word is "difficult or unpleasant task," which I think accurately sums up the situation. It's certainly the sense I used.
Accountability is overrated, especially in situations like this. It follows from the western fetish for punishment and vengeance. I'm not sure how revenge is useful in this context. If you care about someone, you try to help them. Period. If you can't because of other emotion, you admit the other emotion is stronger than your ability to care about that person. It's all rather simple, but we value judge the caring to the extent that not caring enough is something only bad people do. Since we aren't bad people, it must be someone else's fault. BS self justification, but lying to ourselves so we can judge others is fundamental to the human condition.
You keep going on about Faye not letting Angus do whatever, as if I haven't already acknowledged that. This is a relationship based comic. It's unlikely that Angus is a serial killer, or will die in the war. (Though, Angus getting killed would be the ultimate "fuck you" from the author to this particular character.) Barring death, its fairly likely that Faye and Angus are going to interact again. To what extent remains unknown. Perhaps Angus is the new Padma, and last week was his final appearance.
My analysis of the situation has always been contingent upon the continuation of the relationship. It simply doesn't apply otherwise. Your argument that Faye doesn't all doesn't apply to the circumstances where my analysis applies. I also addressed that scenario at the outset. It's a null result. Game over. Relationship end. I really don't understand why you think anyone would have suggested that Angus could force a relationship on Faye. The idea that he could emotionally support her against her will is, frankly, ludicrous.
MooskiNet:
--- Quote from: Carl-E on 20 Oct 2014, 09:48 ---But I'm not completely sure that it's her issues that are the whole main problem.
She's been faking it, hoping to make it. And she just realized that she hasn't made it. One of the biggest successes of his life, and she feels... stressed.
Not happy, even for him.
I think she's just realized that she's not in love with him. Not even 'anymore' - possibly she never was. The relevant strips have been referenced by others upthread.
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Yup, this. All the things Faye was hoping she wouldn't have to face showed up with a 7-day deadline, and she just froze.
Unless she has a major change of heart, my guess is Angus is gone for good, and I don't fault him for it, in spite of my knee-jerk reaction to his seeming callousness last week.
Aziraphale:
--- Quote from: Zebediah on 20 Oct 2014, 06:39 ---
--- Quote from: ZoeB on 20 Oct 2014, 05:25 ---I hope that Angus gets the same degree of support. He needs it, and deserves it, too. Right now, I can imagine him just sitting, staring into a fire. As guys tend to do, in my experience.
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And this is where Momo comes in. She's experienced at offering emotional support, be it a shoulder to cry on or a (metaphorical) kick in the pants.
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Angus really doesn't have a support network that we've seen. Aside from Faye, who's he really got? He may go to Marten again as he did before he left for New York, but may feel awkward doing that because Marten has a longer history with Faye than he does. Marigold's somewhere between roommate and kid sister. Yeah, guess that does leave Momo.
--- Quote from: Lubricus on 19 Oct 2014, 23:47 ---I don't think Marten was humming, though. I can't imagine Jeph neglecting to draw notes around Martens's head if that was the case.
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He looks like he's air-drumming as he walks in the first frame, which makes it likely he's humming the theme from Shaft.
And we can dig it.
--- Quote from: MooskiNet on 20 Oct 2014, 10:14 ---
--- Quote from: Carl-E on 20 Oct 2014, 09:48 ---But I'm not completely sure that it's her issues that are the whole main problem.
She's been faking it, hoping to make it. And she just realized that she hasn't made it. One of the biggest successes of his life, and she feels... stressed.
Not happy, even for him.
I think she's just realized that she's not in love with him. Not even 'anymore' - possibly she never was. The relevant strips have been referenced by others upthread.
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//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtBHfxU2wmc
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MooskiNet:
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 20 Oct 2014, 10:42 ---And we can dig it.
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Damn right.
Emperor Norton:
--- Quote from: ReindeerFlotilla on 20 Oct 2014, 10:08 ---Accountability is overrated, especially in situations like this. It follows from the western fetish for punishment and vengeance. I'm not sure how revenge is useful in this context. If you care about someone, you try to help them. Period. If you can't because of other emotion, you admit the other emotion is stronger than your ability to care about that person. It's all rather simple, but we value judge the caring to the extent that not caring enough is something only bad people do. Since we aren't bad people, it must be someone else's fault. BS self justification, but lying to ourselves so we can judge others is fundamental to the human condition.
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And you are only applying this to Angus. You aren't applying this to Faye at all. You treat Angus like none of this hurts him, that Faye doesn't, in any way, need to be there for him, as well. She is the one who has issues that are preventing the issue from even being DEALT with. Why is Angus responsible for Faye's happiness, but Faye seems to be in no way responsible for his?
In the end, they have to work together. Nothing else WORKS. A one sided relationship isn't a relationship. And throughout their relationship, it HASN'T been one sided, though hehasn't had any major dramas, she hasn't been doing nothing but leaching off him. I think people don't give Faye enough credit, she has issues, but she isn't an emotional cripple. Its insulting the way everyone just absolves any possible responsibility she has for her actions, as though having issues suddenly makes you have the culpability of a child.
I have personal past issues that cause me to be inable to let go of arguments. When I get angry, I can't walk away. I would have never done what Angus did in this scene, which is why I know how much it was the right thing to do. I know why I'm like that, I can link it to specific issues in my past that I have no interest in talking about. I know that it happens. But that doesn't make it not a shit thing for me to do to my wife. That doesn't mean I'm not wrong. And it doesn't mean I can't do everything I can to make it better, by both making it happen less often, and trying to repair the damage it does when it does happen.
I'm responsible for it. My wife isn't responsible for it. Me. Because despite being a damaged individual, I'm a goddamned adult.
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