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WCDT 8-13 December 2014 (Strips 2850-2854)
BenRG:
--- Quote from: valkygrrl on 10 Dec 2014, 07:37 ---This is the patriarchy, different social pressures are placed on males and females but what is proper about it? Why do you think any failing on Clinton's part stems from a lack of proper role models?
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We instinctively develop our behaviours, including social limits, on parental and other 'mentor' figures as we grow up. It is also the case that we tend to 'imprint' strongly on figures that we perceive to be of the same gender. This process is mostly subconscious. However, it does mean that it is quite possible that Clinton's emotional health and social awareness has been negatively impacted upon by the fact that the relationship between his father and mother had likely been unhealthy for some time at the time of his father's departure. This may have led him to internalise unhealthy behaviours as a 'proper' template for a male towards a female relative. It does not even have to have been openly abusive, only selfish, domineering and uncaring.
Marten is a very different personality from his and clearly has a lot more healthy and balanced viewpoint of women. Maybe, just maybe, by following Marten's lead, Clinton can interact with women in a way that is not possessive and/or almost completely uncaring of their feelings.
Males and females tend to have noticeably different behaviour. This is not only social (nurture) but also biological (nature) in origin. You may not like it but this is just a fact of what we as a species are. One of the things we learn from our gender-specific 'role models' (I use that term lacking anything else suitable) is how we interpret those instinctive drives in real life. Clinton's patterning is unfortunately a bit too aggressive and possessive. Marten may show him a different way.
dexeron:
All I know is Claire and Marten are holding hands in the first panel so don't mind me, I'm just going to do a little happy dance over here.
BenRG:
--- Quote from: dexeron on 10 Dec 2014, 07:49 ---All I know is Claire and Marten are holding hands in the first panel so don't mind me, I'm just going to do a little happy dance over here.
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Additionally, Clinton doesn't seem to mind (care) so, IMHO at least, he's accepted the relationship for now. If anything, he seems more focussed on the fact that Marten is going to introduce him to a girl!
I'm not sure how long it's been since the post-Wedding incident at the Library so I'm not sure how long it's been since Clinton last met Emily that we know of. I wonder how much he remembers about her?
Zebediah:
Emily is rather unforgettable, so he probably remembers quite a bit.
ReindeerFlotilla:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 10 Dec 2014, 07:45 ---Males and females tend to have noticeably different behaviour. This is not only social (nurture) but also biological (nature) in origin. You may not like it but this is just a fact of what we as a species are. One of the things we learn from our gender-specific 'role models' (I use that term lacking anything else suitable) is how we interpret those instinctive drives in real life. Clinton's patterning is unfortunately a bit too aggressive and possessive. Marten may show him a different way.
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There's no proof of this, by any standard of proof that makes good science. The differences between males and females as broad groups are often smaller than the differences between two individual males or females (or others).
Some of those differences are probably real, but which ones? Nobody knows. Find a source who thinks they've found a smoking gun, and you'll find a dozen peers poking real holes in their methodology. Indeed, since most of the work in this area is psychology, what you usually end up with is a detailed study of the white, middle class, college student.
If you've got to make sweeping generalizations about who people ought to build social structures, the most logical thing to do is assume that people are.
Do boys tend to start building identity by modeling men? Pretty much. Is that a good thing? I'm gonna have to say no. I live on Earth. I see the results of that. Gamergate. The inability to get movie about one of the bajillion woman superheroes made. Serious people seriously asking if Hillary Clinton can be President and a Grandmother at the same time.
Could Marten be a role model to Clinton? I suppose. He could do worse. But he could do just as well with Hanners as a role model (Be polite, push against your limitations, consider the wisdom offered by others, as a last resort: scream so loud it corrects vision defects).
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