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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
TRVA123:
Also, the point about killing Fayes career in being a barista.... yeah... no....
If she was in a franchise and had the opportunity to really advance, then maybe..
Also, she could probably get hired at another coffee shop. She would only need minimal training, and those sorts of jobs have a high turnover rate anyway.
I don't think Faye is particularly interested in a career. I think she is interested in security; and she needs to know that no job is so secure that you can expect to come to work drunk and keep your job.
--- Quote from: MrNumbers on 19 Jan 2015, 23:49 ---
--- Quote ---Honestly, if I were in Fayes position, I would rather be fired than publicly shamed. "yeah, you can stay, but we are going to take your position and some of your salary away from you!"
That might just be me, though.
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Which means that you agree that the punishment would be sufficiently severe.
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no. I don't agree.
Dora firing Faye isn't a "punishment". Dora isn't punishing Faye. Dora is protecting herself and her business from the liability of a drunk employee.
What you are suggesting would be a "punishment".
There are some things in a professional environment that warrant immediate termination. Showing up drunk or high, stealing, sexually or physically assaulting someone, etc... I don't get why this is so shocking to some people on this forum.
MrNumbers:
--- Quote from: TRVA123 on 20 Jan 2015, 00:03 ---There are some things in a professional environment that warrant immediate termination. Showing up drunk or high, stealing, sexually or physically assaulting someone, etc... I don't get why this is so shocking to some people on this forum.
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Can someone bring up all the times Faye and Penelope have physically assaulted each other or a customer without proportionate punishment?
madamlark:
Crud, I was never going to do anything but lurk. Damn it.
(And I just lost everything I typed with a bad click so I'm going to be briefer than I'd initially like.)
Faye seemed to be playing off her drunkenness with a lot of humor and I don't see Dora missing a call for help out of that, especially when Faye is so prone to just making jokes about her alcohol issues. I didn't see that Dora should necessarily have read that as deeper hurt. She's not seeing everything we see. Faye has also been doing a lot of hiding of her true feelings lately, she's clearly decent at seeming functional.
Dora has stated her advice as far as she feels comfortable giving it as regards the situation and admitted that she's not a shrink so doesn't know how more to help.
She also has been quite clear that drinking and/or being drunk on the job is a no. She stated it to all of the employees when Faye was promoted and again the day prior to Faye directly. Faye ignored that. How can she be sure Faye won't just ignore it again in the future? Multiple warnings are enough, I would say. I didn't think she'd fire Faye so quickly, if at all, but I'm not terribly surprised and don't think it was wrong.
Others have already stated it, she's a small business owner and she has to think of her livelihood. If she cannot trust Faye to respect the warnings, especially being a manager, then she can't keep her on staff. She wasn't cruel and she didn't rip into her, she was about as calm as I think anyone can be upon feeling so betrayed by a good friend. I'm sure she knows Faye is hurting, but Faye is the one who didn't seek out additional help in the way or therapy. And Dora hinted she should do so when she said she wasn't a psychologist.
Ok, there's my two cents. May chime in for more in this arc, but hopefully I will go back to my lurker ways afterwards, too much to do taking care of my kiddos to stalk these forums, heh.
Alphawolf55:
--- Quote from: MrNumbers on 19 Jan 2015, 23:37 ---
--- Quote from: explicit on 19 Jan 2015, 23:32 ---See, that's what I feel is weird. If you state this is poor business decision I'm going to have to vehemently disagree.
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You don't have to put Faye through a detox program. You don't have to spend any money. Hell, cutting her salary but keeping the same level of competent employee, since they have that incident hanging over their head, is tantamount to a bargain, with faint undertones of blackmail...
If Faye ever, ever, did this again, I'd be completely agreeing with you. But a lone incident should not a years-long career inherently break.
EDIT:
Let's put this in the context of being caught drink-driving, a situation which very realistically gets people killed.
Here in Australia a drink-driving offense has an immediate 250 dollar fine, $500 dollars maximum if the court finds you off, for a first offense. You also get five demerit points: About the same as going 35 kilometers - about 20 miles - over the speed limit.
You need to lose 12 in a three year period before you lose your license.
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A DUI can make you lose your license in one go in theUS
BenRG:
Remember that this is Dora that we're talking about. Going a step too far is in-character for her. That said, I would argue that this is Dora the Friend acting here; a friend who has tried to ask her friend not to drink at work. The response? She carried on drinking and used deception and lies to do so. Dora, the insecure woman is sure to see that as a personal betrayal, making her reaction explicable, if not ideal.
The thing about Faye is that she's never gotten over her dad's suicide. She's had her emotions numbed by prescription meds and later by self-medicating with alcohol. Her ability to deal with emotional stresses of all kinds has atrophied away. She even needed to drink to deal with a guy saying that he loves her, something as diametrically opposed to a negative experience as can be imagined. In a very real sense, she's still standing next to her dad's fresh corpse in catatonic shock.
If this arc is to benefit her in any way, it will be in forcing her to deal with her emotions without a crutch. That will ultimately climax with accepting that Daddy is gone and isn't coming back. I think that she needs to mourn (she was originally committed and probably was too far under to do so before) and try to move on.
For Faye, this is only the start. Her aggressive nature will mean that she casts herself as the wronged party and she will alienate her friends trying to get what she wants: passive acceptance of how she currently wants to be. The reason behind my suicide post is because I believe that she will really push herself to the point that she honestly believe she has nothing left. The only way forward for her, IMHO, is to survive her own end-of-the-road crisis and realise that she wants to live badly enough to seek help to change and heal.
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