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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)

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bhtooefr:

--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 19 Jan 2015, 22:50 ---Come to think of it, a violent drunk around a broadsword and a Battle Spatula is a "recipe for unpleasantness", the kind of unpleasantness that can run to five figures in no time.

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Five figures? More like seven or eight. If CoD is a sole proprietorship, rather than an LLC or similar, Dora will be paying for that the rest of her life, and only get enough money to barely survive in extreme poverty (unless she starts working for someone under the table).

Half Empty Coffee Cup:
This is the way it had to be. When someone messes up normally, a proportionate response is sound. When someone messes up because they were chasing a substance or a state of mind, you can't half-ass your response. It just doesn't work. This firing will probably stick, too. I don't see Dora being too trusting of Faye afterward, even should she clean up. This moment will remain in the back of her mind. The pain of having to do this to a friend, too. I think Dora's never going to hire a friend again.


--- Quote from: Lubricus on 20 Jan 2015, 02:15 ---Reading these last few strips, I get the feeling that Faye's father's reason for killing himself was deeply connected to alcoholism. I think about the fact that he snuck bourbon into his milkshakes without telling his wife, who did not allow to drink, and that his sudden suicide came as a complete shock to his daughters. Maybe he was in deep alcoholic trouble, but was able to hide it very well, and ended his life when he couldn't take it anymore. That would fit quite well with how Faye is acting presently - and the predilection for substance abuse is often hereditary. Does this look right to you guys?

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Makes a lot of sense to me.

pwhodges:
Without pointing at any previous posts I'd like to make a couple of points.

1 - References to things earlier in the comic, like the weapons, are irrelevant - as the comic changes through the years, and in any case has always alternated between the crazy gags and the serious.  Using a gag as an argument in the serious part just doesn't work out.

2 - Saying this is the first time for anything is a bit too literal-minded.  Faye's had problems throughout the comic and has worked on them and had backslidings as well.  This doesn't come entirely out of the blue.

3 - Dora's response is in character - the instant over-the-top reaction that she showed Marten on several occasions.  If it's really seen to be OTT, the opportunity to retract when (if) circumstances justify that is always available.

4 - It's been mentioned by someone, but not picked up, that Faye could now see herself free to follow Angus, if he is willing to take her back.  As the immediate cause of her resumption of drinking is the separation, that would give her the opportunity to get back in control without the same level of temptation.  Whether such a decision would lead to her being on the bus permanently would be up to Jeph, of course; but it would give more space for Marten's relationship with Claire to develop, and help stem the perpetual increase in the number of characters that slows the story down more and more.

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Global Moderator Comment The discussion, though busy, has not quite got over-heated. Thank you all for that. But please remember that there will always be disagreement, and control the urge to try to answer every point and win every argument. Once you've said your thing, it's there and available for anyone to read and consider; there's no need to reiterate it unless presenting a new argument or distinctly different angle on it.

tragic_pizza:
You know... other webcomic artists have killed off major characters.

It could happen.

ReindeerFlotilla:
I have a problem. It keeps me from getting laid, which is a different issue entirely, but still the problem itself is totally germane.

See, I'm really really bad at subtext when it is directed at me. Like, if you get all emo and passive-aggressively cry for help in Bob's direction, I'll probably notice, but if you do it in mine it's going to zip right by.

This is my problem. I don't hold it against someone that I didn't get their message. On the other hand, it's not my fault either. Because when they decided to send a subtext, instead of being upfront, they made a choice that the potential for me not to get the message was worth some other thing. Maybe not consciously, but it's just not my damned job to keep up with the motives of every other person on Earth so I can decode the secret messages.

You cannot define caring as infinite capacity for sacrifice. Because you can always sit in the armchair and determine that a person SHOULD HAVE seen the clues at point X. But Then that guy over there can point out how it should have been obvious before point X.

The fact is that Dora didn't know how bad things were because FAYE has actively dodged discussing it with anyone, preferring to hide in a bottle. Given the fact that Faye has a reputation (well earned) for violence and being prickly, it is not--in fact--unreasonable for her friends to wait for her to open up. For all Faye's talk of being an experienced person, Angus represents the very first time Faye's friends Marten and Dora have seen her go through a breakup. They are unaware of the extent of Faye's internal hurt because Faye is keeping it from them, and it is not actually their job to read the subtext.

Caring often has the secondary effect of catching the subtexts when you otherwise would not, but that's a bonus. It's not a feature and it's not an obligation. No one can live up to that. So, no. Dora was not obligated to notice what Faye wasn't telling her for the handful of days that have passed since Faye broke up with Angus.

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