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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
ReindeerFlotilla:
I gotta say, that would be pretty shitty of Dora.
She did the right thing.
And her friend is going to suffer for it.
She should feel bad about it.
At the base of the human condition there is truth, as much as anything can be true, that most people refuse. And the refusal of that truth is the root of most pain, suffering, and conflict inflicted by humans on humans. And that truth is thatlife doesn't come in tidy packages. That two different things, that seem to contradict, can both be right. That beyond the facts of existence, there is no truth or meaning but what we make.
Second guessing is nothing more than introspection. Introspection is good. Second guesses get a bad rap. It's fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh guessing that's a problem. If Dora doesn't check herself, that's shitty. But just because yopu take the time to check, it doesn't mean you have to change your mind.
You should feel bad about things you must do, when they suck. Seriously. Who says, "I had to put the dog down, but it was time so I refuse to feel bad about it"? Really creep people, IMO. Healthy is, "This hurts, and I feel guilty, but I know it's the right thing to do."
DSL:
My guess as to Dora's toxic perception of Sven? Still-unresolved resentment over his effect on her early life, fueling her feeling he's about to do something similar (get his enjoyment, no matter the cost to another) to her friend. Result? "Fuck it, that's enough."
Speaking of "fuck it, that's enough," depending on whether Dora and Faye remain any semblance of friends, I could see as realistic Sven approaching Dora about Faye, expecting another warn-off under threat of grievous bodily harm and instead getting a "meh, whatever, screw yez both," from Li'l Sis.
Hell, that might even shock Sven out of his self-absorption and into the first faint glimmer of empathy.
Naaaah.
BenRG:
--- Quote from: ReindeerFlotilla on 20 Jan 2015, 23:16 ---I don't think I've ever seen Marten actually get upset over having to explain Veronica. It's old and worn terrority that he doesn't care to revisit, but it's not otherwise upsetting to him.
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He's trying to chat up a pretty girl. She's more interested in his mother's career as a professional dominatrix to the point that is all she wants to talk about. Do you really think he would be interested in continuing the conversation?
Anyway, I'm thinking that you're maybe taking a light-hearted post a little too seriously?
ReindeerFlotilla:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 21 Jan 2015, 01:09 ---He's trying to chat up a pretty girl. She's more interested in his mother's career as a professional dominatrix to the point that is all she wants to talk about. Do you really think he would be interested in continuing the conversation?
Anyway, I'm thinking that you're maybe taking a light-hearted post a little too seriously?
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Interested in? No. Would he continue? Certainly.
You're off base to suggest what I'm taking too seriously or not. It's patronizing and dismissive. You're also off base to argue that this difference of opinion has anything to do with Marten's feels. I said, and reiterated, her would not storm. Storming is not in character for him. If you think I'm wrong about that, by all means, make a case. But let's not pretend I'm talking about something else.
Markus Ramikin:
DSL: makes sense, though it seems to me the problem lies more with Dora than with Sven in this case.
RF: Let me be a bit more specific than I was before: feel bad yes, feel guilty no. Her friend is in trouble and that's a bad thing, and yes, if Dora cares about her then she will feel accordingly. But any feelings of "I shouldn't have done that" or "I'm a bad person because I did that" - any guilt - she doesn't deserve, she should know that she doesn't, and stand by her decision against anyone, including the little voices in her head.
There is no such thing as 'two conflicting things are right'. Two conflicting things can both be important to you, having to choose one and miss out on the other can hurt, but they can't both be right in any specific instance. If both scales are weighed heavily, still if one is heavier than the other - there usually is - then that is the right decision, and the other is the wrong one, and that's all there is to it.
Of course life is messy, and we get screwed over by uncertainty, time-pressure, priorities changing over time, etc. But in principle, if you made the best knowable decision at the time, there's no reason in the Universe you deserve to feel bad about that. Sure, it may be "natural" to, but it's not shitty of you if you manage not to.
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