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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
Zalder:
--- Quote from: Magniras on 21 Jan 2015, 21:07 ---Dora was a massive control freak and did everything by the book. I'd be surprised if Faye didn't have some sort of contract.
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If she didn't get a contract she I'm sure got the same talk Hanners and Cosette did when they were hired. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1720
In some states that might constitute a type of implied contract.
Emperor Norton:
--- Quote from: Magniras on 21 Jan 2015, 21:02 ---Also, we haven't seen Marten's reaction to this situation. Remember when he had to deal with Dora's problems? He reacted with anger and disgust at the end of his rope. He's likely going to leave Faye by herself, or have to cancel his date with Claire to deal with Faye. This is going to breed resentment. Marten is zen yes, but human nature dictates that at some point he will snap and react in a similar manner to Dora if Faye doesn't straighten out.
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The problems aren't remotely similar. Dora's problems affected him directly, and accused HIM of doing things wrong. Faye's problems do affect him (in that now she has no job and no way to make rent), but also the problems don't immediately have a "I have issues so I'm pissed with you now and you should apologize" interaction. Dora's problems basically caused her to be adversarial with Marten, that was DIRECTLY the problem. Faye's problems on the other hand, are just self-destructive, and can in periphery cause damage to Marten, but aren't really directed at him.
grez:
Call me crazy but I like Dora a bit more during this arc. Actually, ever since she started dating Tai (feels like ages ago) I think her character has been on a constant upswing. The one thing all the characters have struggled to develop is decisiveness and the ability to take responsibility for their actions - I feel Dora has made the most progress in this area of all the characters (newer characters like Claire or Emily excluded from this comparison, of course). The next big step, as others have mentioned, is for Dora not to backslide into guilt - whether with or without the effort of reflection - and self-incrimination. But I have a feeling that Jeph likes things twisty, so blah, I'm expecting some of the other characters to try and commandeer Dora into guilt over these events. Stay strong Dora! :-\
TRVA123:
Also, Faye and Dora started their relationship (as far as we know) as employee/employer. I doubt they were friends until Dora hired Faye to work at the shop.
They probably didn't know each other for very much longer than Faye knew Marten. Hadn't she just moved up to NorthHampton?
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 21 Jan 2015, 20:56 ---She also spends far more time with Faye than Marten does, and unlike Marten, Dora has been directly told by Faye that she wants to drink herself into oblivion. As far as we've seen, Marten has only observed Faye drinking earlier in the day than usual. Dora has far more information about the situation that Marten does.
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Marten and Faye LIVE together. I would argue that they probably spend a comprable amount of time together as Faye and Dora spend together, taking into account that they (all three of them) work different shifts and are dating other people. Faye found a bottle in her bed, how many bottles are in the living room/around the house now? Marten has gotten different warnings signs than Dora had, but he still should have noticed something. He chose to not push the issue with Faye, just as Dora chose not to push the issue with Faye.
As far as I can tell, the only real difference between Marten and Doras interactions with Faye is that Marten didn't see Faye drinking/drunk at work. Its possible, even probable, that Marten and Dora just were not aware of how bad it was getting for Faye, and by the time Dora really realized how bad it was, it was too late. Dora had no choice but to fire her at that point.
I'm not saying that Marten should necessarily have done something, but if people are going to jump on Dora without jumping on Marten for being in a similar situation of "friendship responsibility" then yeah, I would say there is a double standard.
MrNumbers:
Can we all just agree that, so far, Ben has made for a damned good prophet?
I say we deify him.
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