Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
NilsO:
--- Quote from: NilsO on 22 Jan 2015, 01:35 ---
* Faye gets a job at the Horrible Revelation. This will be a very bad idea.
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Actually, the HR may be interested in offering her a part-time job, as a bouncer. But she must not gain access behind the counter.
Conzy:
--- Quote from: Magniras on 21 Jan 2015, 21:02 ---
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 21 Jan 2015, 20:56 ---
--- Quote from: TRVA123 on 21 Jan 2015, 20:12 ---
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 21 Jan 2015, 20:02 --- As it is... Faye isn't in the right here, but Dora still lost likeability.
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... I guess, but anyone who is holding Dora to that standard, but not Marten.... is kinda holding a double standard.
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My problem wasn't just that Dora didn't tell her to get help, but either way that's an unfair comparison.
Dora has known Faye for longer, for one. She also spends far more time with Faye than Marten does, and unlike Marten, Dora has been directly told by Faye that she wants to drink herself into oblivion. As far as we've seen, Marten has only observed Faye drinking earlier in the day than usual. Dora has far more information about the situation that Marten does. And, after catching Faye drinking on the job, (Which should come as no surprise after Faye said she wanted to be drunk on the job the day before, came in reeking of booze, happy, and had no hangover,) Dora didn't seem concerned or sympathetic in the slightest, just angry.
So yes, I hold Dora to a different standard then Marten, because Marten is far more ignorant of the situation and hasn't reacted with pure anger to his best friend hitting rock bottom.
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YOU, are a small business owner. You have recently promoted a long time friend to Assistant manager at her urging, because it will cut back on your workload. Said friend had previously signed a contract with you stating that she would not drink at work, do drugs at work, or any other actions that might interfere with her ability to preform her assigned duties.
Said friend is now clearly in breach of contract. You have a choice at this point. Act like her friend, or act like her boss. Previously, your other employees have expressed disapproval at the friend's promotion. If you allow your friend to continue at work after a large breach of contract, what kind of message does it send? What does it say to those employees who no doubt have their own problems, but continue to show up to work sober no matter the temptation to get shitfaced?
Also, we haven't seen Marten's reaction to this situation. Remember when he had to deal with Dora's problems? He reacted with anger and disgust at the end of his rope. He's likely going to leave Faye by herself, or have to cancel his date with Claire to deal with Faye. This is going to breed resentment. Marten is zen yes, but human nature dictates that at some point he will snap and react in a similar manner to Dora if Faye doesn't straighten out.
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Great post Magniras, I honestly find it astounding that people are still willing to go a bit easier on Faye in order to put some of the blame on Dora. People have been putting up with Faye for months, and I honestly can't quite figure out why. What does she bring to the other character's lives? At the start she gave Marten company when he was basically a desperate loser, and through her he made a load of other friends, which seems more a peripheral benefit than anything Faye actually did. What she did actually do was threaten him, beat him up and vomit on him. In terms of Dora no stepping up to try to get Faye some help, does no-one else think she saw Faye had a problem and just couldn't be bothered trying any more? She's repeatedly tried to help her in the past to no effect, there comes a time when everyone has had enough, and as someone has said previously 'having issues' really doesn't excuse being a (sexist insult removed by moderator) to your friends day in / day out. Also, aside from Marten, is there anyone left in the QC universe who actually likes Faye anymore? I think after today we have seen the end of Dora and Faye's friendship. (Rightly so IMO, what Faye did would have been a massive betrayal to someone who didn't have trust issues, to do it to Dora meant the result would be inevitable.) Does Hanners really like Faye, or does she just make an effort around her because of Marten? They certainly don't interact much on their own, even at work. The rest of the CoD staff certainly don't think much of her, we know Veronica was skeptical from the start, which pretty much just leaves Sam, who's a kid and doesn't know any better. I've got to say, if I knew someone like Faye in real life, I would have completely annexed them from my life very early on. Friendship is a two way street and if all you do is take you can't be surprised when your free run ends, which is exactly what Faye has done today.
Also think it's worth pointing out that I haven't exactly been Dora's biggest fan in the past, but after what's happened so far I really respect her as a businesswoman and a person in this arc. She's done the right thing for her own sanity and for her business. I agree with others in saying that she should definitely call Marten for his sake, so he knows what he's coming back to, but rage has a way of blinding us in the short term, so I wouldn't blame her if it skipped her mind. Also, first priority for her is to call her staff and get someone to cover for Faye, that has to take priority.
Conzy:
--- Quote from: ReindeerFlotilla on 21 Jan 2015, 20:21 ---
--- Quote from: Penquin47 on 21 Jan 2015, 19:49 ---My old beagle, I don't feel bad about putting down at all. When we pulled the injection, the dog had been diabetic and blind for over a year. Three days before, he had a stroke that left him in a state where we had to guide him to his supper bowl because he could not find it on his own. Sure, it sucks that I lost a dog I loved, but I honestly believe that the stroke killed the dog and all we had put down was the empty shell. Call me creepy all you want, but I have never felt guilt about making the call to put him down.
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--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 21 Jan 2015, 20:01 ---Agreed. I would've felt bad if I weren't in the room with him, but I'll never feel guilty about putting my old dog down a few years ago. That's not to say it wasn't difficult, and I certainly was sad, but never guilty.
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Are you saying you didn't feel bad? I never required guilt. I just said there's nothing wrong, or pathological about guilt itself. That Guilt is Healthy in those circumstances. Broccoli is healthy too, but if you don't eat it, it doesn't mean your sick. Did you declare that you weren't going to feel bad about? Cuz I gotta stick to my guns on that one. That's a bit of creepy thing to do after your dog dies.
If you didn't feel bad, um... Okay. I'm not getting the impression that that's the message, so I don't see the point. Care to elucidate?
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In my experience, reducing a discussion to semantics is a sure fire way to create tension in said discussion. I'd say that it's pretty obvious that Penguin47 is saying that he felt sad that the right thing to do was to put his dog down, but was in no way going to feel like it was his fault, due to it being the right thing to do. That's a healthy way to approach an unenviable task. I can see this going the same way your discussion went a couple days ago with a poster whose name I can't remember, and in both cases I'm afraid I think you're being a little overly-critical of people's uses of language, seeing as you obviously have a background in philosophy, Reindeer. Like I said, when in discussion with those who might not have the same background it would probably lead to fewer arguments if you were to take people up on the spirit they have made their points in, rather than the specific philosophical definition of some of the words they have used.
NilsO:
--- Quote from: Doc on 22 Jan 2015, 01:55 ---'Go home and get some Help.'
Help. I don't know that brand. Is Help a single malt?
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No, it is blended:
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Svennerson:
--- Quote from: Conzy on 22 Jan 2015, 04:27 ---I honestly find it astounding that people are still willing to go a bit easier on Faye in order to put some of the blame on Dora. People have been putting up with Faye for months, and I honestly can't quite figure out why. What does she bring to the other character's lives? At the start she gave Marten company when he was basically a desperate loser, and through her he made a load of other friends, which seems more a peripheral benefit than anything Faye actually did. What she did actually do was threaten him, beat him up and vomit on him.
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Okay, so before I continue, this is NOT a defense of Faye right now. She's fucking up big time, and Dora is doing the right thing. That being said, pre-breakdown Faye was definitely one of my favorite characters and would probably fight with Tai for best friend in the group, and I think it has to deal with the culture in Massachusetts. If you're not being an ass to your friends there, you're not caring enough. When my family gathers, it's basically a room full of Fayes (including the alcohol), and everyone is laughing and loving it. Despite being displaced and raised in NC, my best friends have always been the ones that are at least a bit abusive to me. Why? Their hilarious, their loyal as hell when they need to be, they won't let ANYONE mess with me the wrong way. I understand Faye's...attitude...is one that would not be appreciated everywhere, but in Mass it's almost revered.
They're called Massholes for a reason, you know.
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