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DSL:
Lots of assumptions about Claire in recent posts. My bet is Jeph is going to show us a Claire that rates a lot more respect than we thought. "Little Mother," anyone? Might break the Pugnacious Peach into little peach pieces, which will gratify some (EDIT: and might be good for Faye).

I haven't seen such Faye-hate, by the way, since a former forumite projected her real-world nemesis onto the P. Peach. The venom is dripping into the popcorn.

Kugai:
Hmmmm

Interesting preposition.


Claire as Fayes Big Sister/Saviour

ReindeerFlotilla:
This thread's only up to 13. During the SS Claireten launch it topped 30.


--- Quote from: Aimless on 22 Jan 2015, 13:19 ---I find it very difficult to really hate someone on a personal level when that someone is a fictional character created and written by someone trying to tell a story. There are characters I dislike seeing, but I have a hard time forgetting that they do not themselves have much in the way of agency and that makes it very difficult for me to let myself fill my head and my heart with the purest most malign kind of hatred. It just feels weird and fucked-up I guess.

I thought I'd dislike the coming arc but I think I'm going to enjoy seeing Jeph's take on Faye's descent into drunkenness.

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Well said.

eschaton:

--- Quote from: themacnut on 22 Jan 2015, 13:11 ---No no, that's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about Marten seeing his longtime good friend Faye in trouble, drinking herself half to death, him trying to help her, and Claire being resentful of his efforts, especially once it becomes clear that Faye is taking advantage of that help (as alcoholics do) to get more alcohol and stay drunk.

For example, Faye goes home after her firing, gets drunk and then drunk-dials Marten while he's out with Claire. He picks up, she starts crying into the phone about how unfair Dora is etc, while slurring horribly, making it clear to Marten that she's very drunk. Then she drops the phone and Marten hears gagging and puking sounds as Faye throws up. He's quite naturally going to end his date with Claire early to rush home and check on Faye. Claire's not going to like that. She may try to be understanding at first, but if this kind of thing keeps happening (and it will, Faye 'cause Faye will keep getting plastered for awhile yet) she's going to start speaking out against doing anything for Faye.

This will cause a growing conflict within Marten - listen to his girlfriend, who will demand he cut Faye off, or help his equally demanding and troubled friend Faye, who he fears will destroy herself? His choice will determine whether he keeps his girlfriend and maybe the course of Faye's life; if Marten decides he's sick of her shit, who else can she depend on to put up with her?

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When you put it that way, I don't see how Claire wins.  In Marten's eyes, Claire's demands will seem petty, cold and self-serving.  Unless he realizes on his own (e.g., independent of any relationship conflict) that he's enabling Faye.  Then all bets are off.  But if Claire keeps harping on it, it will become *the* fight of their relationship, which will make him want to back down on it less and less.  Thus dooming things. 

Still, I think people here are presuming a bit too much about the continued trajectory.  Remember that everyone in the strip thought that Faye was a functional human being up until a few days ago.  The norm for her would be to peel back out of this bender at some point - probably before she gains any self-awareness as to her status.  Faye will not become an (early) Marigold like slug who doesn't leave the apartment.  It would be totally out of character.   Not to mention boring from a strip perspective. 

plusorminus:

--- Quote from: DSL on 22 Jan 2015, 13:20 ---Lots of assumptions about Claire in recent posts. My bet is Jeph is going to show us a Claire that rates a lot more respect than we thought. "Little Mother," anyone? Might break the Pugnacious Peach into little peach pieces, which will gratify some.

I haven't seen such Faye-hate, by the way, since a former forumite projected her real-world nemesis onto the P. Peach. The venom is dripping into the popcorn.

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I'm sorry, but I can't really see this happening given what we know of Claire. This IS the same woman who called Tai a "homewrecker" when she got the wrong end of the stick about how her relationship with Dora came about. This is also someone who has made it clear that a workplace is sacrosanct and not for shenanigans. I can't see her all of a sudden becoming the Hanners to Faye's Marigold.

Jeph has shown us enough of Claire that those of us predicting a schism that will feature her on one side and Faye on the other can feel fairly confident in that prediction. She is insecure. She dug Marten for a long time and now they're dating. She has literally never had a boyfriend before and is concerned with doing everything "properly" and her movie invitation hints that she is ready for Marten to start thinking about the two of them spending serious time alone. I think that, more than any sisterly care, is what prompted her to go along with the Clinton/Emily stuff. She wants him out of her hair so that she and Marten can get to know each other properly.

I'm not sure how you can reconcile that person and think that suddenly she is going to be Faye's Florence Nightengale. I could see it happening if MRS. Augustus, not Mr. Augustus, battled the bottle in the wake of her marriage falling apart. Then I think it might be fair to say Claire, having experienced this with her mother, would have the tools to help Faye. But there is nothing, IMO, in the way Claire has been presented to us thus far that in any way suggests that she is going to be anything but livid if Faye's issues come between her and Marten. Themacnut's last post on this sums this up brilliantly.

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