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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
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Kugai:
I mean out time. I personally wouldn't want to see Fayes decent into self-destruction to drag out more than that - maybe with an extra two weeks thrown in with the odd 'Filler Strip' to give us a breather from all the drama - to do so would be, I think, flogging the proverbial dead Horse Comic and Storyline wise before she's dragged offscreen for a wee while for Rehab.
eschaton:
--- Quote from: Kugai on 22 Jan 2015, 13:50 ---I mean our time. I personally wouldn't want to see Fayes decent into self-destruction to drag out more than that - maybe with an extra two weeks thrown in with the odd 'Filler Strip' to give us a breather from all the drama - to do so would be, I think, flogging the proverbial dead Horse Comic and Storyline wise before she's dragged offscreen for a wee while for Rehab.
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Again, Jeph could always surprise me, but I don't see Marten stopping his enabling so quickly. Or rather, there is nothing I can imagine that Faye would do which is in character (and plausible) that could cause Marten to lay down the law after only a few days of a drunken bender. If one of his parents was actually an alcoholic at one point, and he knew what he had to do (or stop doing) maybe. But while they both seem to have had wilder days in the past, neither one of them seems to be a recovered alcoholic. Marten will try to "do the right thing" and do the wrong thing for quite awhile yet.
Honestly, I think Sven is more likely than anyone in comic to really try a full-on intervention on short notice. While he seems to have no issue with social drinking, given his gregarious nature, I am 100% sure that one of his good friends (if not a family member) has struggled with alcoholism.
plusorminus:
--- Quote from: eschaton on 22 Jan 2015, 12:20 ---
Aside from Faye jerking Marten around in terms of a potential love interest in the first 500 strips (and a little bit of residual possessiveness thereafter), what exactly has Faye done to this point which is emotionally draining to Marten? When did she ask him to choose between emotional growth and supporting her? It would be just weird for Marten to turn his back now, when she's in the wrong but clearly needs support, because it's not like he's been continually fucked over in recent years.
Edit: Bottom line is while you might think that Faye is a shitty person, and was a shitty employee, she has been a great friend to Marten since around the thousandth strip. You cannot undo all that overnight, or even in 200-300 strips.
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Sorry, eschaton, I missed this somehow.
I can admit that I am probably overstating the "drag Marten into her mess" thing a tad. I don't mean that Faye is doing it purposely. But their proximity and relationship to each other - as roommates - entertwines their fates a bit whether Faye means to do so, or not. I will own that Faye cares for Marten and has been a good friend to him. She helped him through the Dora breakup and also through the Padma mess. She loaned an ear when he was confused about Emily's intentions and has supported his musical aspirations.
And you're right - to this point, Faye has not asked Marten to choose. He has made some of those choices on his own, most notably, to not form a separate household with Dora without Faye being included. That was not on Faye.
But I think the time has arrived. The difference between then and now is that - not to be unfair to Marten - he really didn't have much "growth" going on. He was just sort of there, rudderless, especially after the Dora breakup. He was in his library job just doing whatever. Now, he is taking steps to really do something musically, he has a girlfriend and he's trying to man up ... just as Faye is falling apart. Faye has always relied on Marten sort of just being there for her. I think subconsciously she has relied on the notion that if things had gone a bit differently, she and Marten would be together and she was Marten's 'first choice.' Marten has grown a lot in this time and I don't know if Faye recognizes this. Just as she spoke in an entitled manner to Dora after being fired, I think that Faye feels a bit entitled to Marten's unwavering support. If she doesn't get it, she may very well press the issue. That won't end well for either of them.
themacnut:
--- Quote from: eschaton on 22 Jan 2015, 13:29 ---
When you put it that way, I don't see how Claire wins. In Marten's eyes, Claire's demands will seem petty, cold and self-serving. Unless he realizes on his own (e.g., independent of any relationship conflict) that he's enabling Faye.
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I do see Marten realizing he's enabling Faye - eventually. But "eventually" is generally a long time, and in that time Marten's budding relationship may die on the vine as Claire backs off to avoid becoming part of the oncoming trainwreck.
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