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WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
Aziraphale:
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--- Quote from: BrusselSprouts on 05 Feb 2015, 22:04 ---Looks like Marten's tamper proof seal is about to be broken
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Dude. <mod snip>
Dude. - Mod.</mod>
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Times like this it'd be nice to have a "like" button for the moderation. :D
explicit:
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--- Quote from: Bodolza on 06 Feb 2015, 12:18 ---
--- Quote from: BrusselSprouts on 05 Feb 2015, 22:04 ---Looks like Marten's tamper proof seal is about to be broken
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Dude. <mod snip>
Dude. - Mod.</mod>
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What happened? Explicit wants to know and is talking in the third person for no reason at all.
Times like this it'd be nice to have a "like" button for the moderation. :D
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EDIT - How the hell did I make this mistake? What was I doing?
Somnus Eternus:
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--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 06 Feb 2015, 09:24 ---
So, I'm a bisexual man. Yes, bisexuals do not face the same amount of discrimination, but we do face it. But I'm also married to a woman and have kids. I "pass" as a straight man, and most people don't even know I'm bi. I'm not secretive about it, but I don't generally talk about it unless something brings it up.
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Actually, the big difference with us and others in the LGBTQ community is we can blend in where ever we want, and it's usually easier to keep our orientation under the radar. But when we are out with people about being bi, we face as much or even more discrimination. You get people (gay and straight) who mistakenly assume we are in the closet, seeking attention, "confused" about our sexuality and/or the gay people who feel we are betraying the LGBTG community. Then there's the nutty people who believe that all bis are poly or want "one of each." This may be true for some people who are bi, but many of us. Even Dan Savage didn't *get* that being bi is a real thing for a long time—and he has admitted this. And *don't* get me started on platonic friends we come out to. Some of them are really cool, but a few that I've told (mostly gay/bi women, but some bi/straight dudes, too) seem to think it's an invitation to try to hook up with me.
So, I'm actually really discreet who I tell about my orientation in RL. I let people know on a need-to-know basis (close friends, family members, etc...).
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Can I just tell you I love you for this clarification? Because I do. This is everything I've been thinking this whole thread exactly.
Smallest:
I'm only skimming, but regarding Claire's friendships and stuff being realistic or no- as far as I remember just Marten and Emily know? So if other characters are shitty (although they're a liberal gang, and I hope not because if it wasn't the springboard for character development and maybe even if it was, that would make me hate someone), they haven't had the opportunity to act on it yet. Also, I mean, Claire probably felt with both Emily and Marten, before she came out, that they would be okay. It's not like she came out randomly to people she didn't know (like Becky in DoA, although of course that's different)- there hasn't been a lot of space for people to reject her based on her trans-ness. And Marten has known Claire was trans for quite a while now, and had an idea what she had done to transition (she said at the lakehouse that she had HRT starting a couple years ago. Also, Marten has a better idea than us, probably, of what a level of transitioning would mean in fiction Northhampton).
So, anyway, that all in account, I don't really see how likely it would be for Marten to reject her. There is some amount- he could discover that, in fact, he wasn't sexually attracted to her, but he's Marten, so he wouldn't be a huge douche about it even if he fumbled. I don't really see how anyone else would reject her, because there's just Emily, and Emily is a fairy who is nice to everyone.
Omega Entity:
In regards to the "having gay/trans* issues be the focus vs not having gay/trans* issues be the focus (i.e., characters that happen to be gay/trans)" argument, I think it's pretty polarizing, and not everyone's going to be happy no matter how it's handled. Where some will be upset that a portrayal is unrealistic if their struggles -aren't- front and center (which, imo, if not handled properly runs the risk of becoming a constant undercurrent of whatever media it's being portrayed in), there's also those that will be upset if a gay/trans* character is more defined by their status, rather than that which really -makes- them a character - the myriad factors (personality, likes, dislikes, appearance, beliefs) that makes them a full, well-fleshed-out person to whom the viewer can relate. Not that their status shouldn't be a part of what defines them, but it should be a small portion of the greater whole, and not the central focus.
So while I do agree with some aspects in regards that issues should be portrayed if not realistically, with some hint that they do exist, I also think that a character should be a character first, with their gay/trans* status being a part of that character rather than a gay/trans* character also happen to be a human/AI/alien/giant purple people eater.
Sorry if this doesn't make sense. Sometimes it's hard to get the ideas to extract from my brain properly. In other words, in like with what BrusselSprouts was saying.
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