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WCDT: Strips 2892 to 2896 (9th - 13th February 2015)
MrNumbers:
Regarding AA:
AA is by default religious, and its strict methods are... look, they claim to be the only method that works, but secular rehabilitation centers that actually keep and release documented evidence seem to have a much higher, comparative, success rate.
Courts mandating AA specifically, rather than a program of the defendant's choosing -- within a court-approved list of course -- that's more than this bullshit option strikes me as... I mean...
Christ. It's forcing religion on people through a court action. That's about as unconstitutional as you can get.
explicit:
--- Quote from: valkygrrl on 11 Feb 2015, 23:53 ---Wasn't Claire wearing stud earring last night? Where'd the hoops come from?
--- End quote ---
They're Marten's. He wears them all the time, you just don't see them. :-o
explicit:
--- Quote from: MrNumbers on 12 Feb 2015, 00:43 ---Regarding AA:
AA is by default religious, and its strict methods are... look, they claim to be the only method that works, but secular rehabilitation centers that actually keep and release documented evidence seem to have a much higher, comparative, success rate.
Courts mandating AA specifically, rather than a program of the defendant's choosing -- within a court-approved list of course -- that's more than this bullshit option strikes me as... I mean...
Christ. It's forcing religion on people through a court action. That's about as unconstitutional as you can get.
--- End quote ---
That's not entirely right. Part of the 12 steps is giving yourself over to a higher power, yes, but that higher power can be anything. Friends, family, volunteer work, it's supposed to be something larger than yourself. This is often God for for religious people, but it does not have to be.
hedgie:
As the courts have found before in *many* lawsuits. But it still keeps happening. With things like addiction, if there are underlying problems, addressing those goes a long way in dealing with it, as does CBT. Switzerland has also shown a degree of success with using drugs such as LSD and MDMA *in the context of intense therapy* as well. Truth is, most addicts are self-medicating for something. There is a role for support groups, so people can share experiences and helping one another, I've never seen 12 step programmes do anything else but indoctrinate people.
Omega Entity:
--- Quote from: explicit on 12 Feb 2015, 00:50 ---
--- Quote from: MrNumbers on 12 Feb 2015, 00:43 ---Regarding AA:
AA is by default religious, and its strict methods are... look, they claim to be the only method that works, but secular rehabilitation centers that actually keep and release documented evidence seem to have a much higher, comparative, success rate.
Courts mandating AA specifically, rather than a program of the defendant's choosing -- within a court-approved list of course -- that's more than this bullshit option strikes me as... I mean...
Christ. It's forcing religion on people through a court action. That's about as unconstitutional as you can get.
--- End quote ---
That's not entirely right. Part of the 12 steps is giving yourself over to a higher power, yes, but that higher power can be anything. Friends, family, volunteer work, it's supposed to be something larger than yourself. This is often God for for religious people, but it does not have to be.
--- End quote ---
Can my higher power be potato chips? I love me some potato chips. And dip. French onion dip.
Dammit, now I'm hungry.
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