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WCDT 2897 - 2901 (16-20 February 2015)
CasAttack:
I feel really bad for Dora. She doesn't NEED to justify her actions to anyone including herself, but she will anyway because Faye is a friend.
We've seen Faye's knee-jerk reaction to thinking about Dora and CoD. I think Dora's going to be in for a rough time; she's gonna be hypersensitive to people's reactions about Faye, while all the while feeling like she might've done the wrong thing, and to top it off we still haven't seen Tai's reactions to this. I got a feeling this is gonna lead to our first Tai/Dora fisticuffs.
wlewisiii:
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Dude. You're getting really close to the "protests too much" level. Are you sure you want to go there?
TRVA123:
--- Quote from: Truec on 16 Feb 2015, 14:42 ---There's a critical difference between Marten and Dora. Marten didn't know that Faye had a serious problem. Whereas Faye told Dora to her face that she wanted to be drunk all the time, including while at work. Dora's response was to tell her not to drink at work, and then drop the subject.
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Marten was just as familiar with Faye's history of alcoholic behaviour as Dora was, if not more so, as he lives with Faye. Marten also came home and found Faye drunk early in the day. A day or so before that he found her terribly hung over. Why didn't he connect the dots and so something about it? Clearly Faye was crying to Marten for help just as much as to Dora. If she didn't want Marten to see her drunk she could have gone out or stayed in her room. You could argue that she wanted him to find her drunk and do something.
And saying "Marten is so wrapped up with Claire, he's distracted and didn't pick up the signals Faye was sending!" but not saying "Dora is so wrapped up with work, she's distracted and didn't pick up the signals Faye was sending" is such fucking bullshit.
I'm not saying Marten should feel responsibility for Faye's situation, or that he helped contribute to it. I am saying that Dora is just as blameless as Marten is.
Omega Entity:
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--- Quote from: Truec on 16 Feb 2015, 14:42 ---There's a critical difference between Marten and Dora. Marten didn't know that Faye had a serious problem. Whereas Faye told Dora to her face that she wanted to be drunk all the time, including while at work. Dora's response was to tell her not to drink at work, and then drop the subject.
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Marten was just as familiar with Faye's history of alcoholic behaviour as Dora was, if not more so, as he lives with Faye. Marten also came home and found Faye drunk early in the day. A day or so before that he found her terribly hung over. Why didn't he connect the dots and so something about it? Clearly Faye was crying to Marten for help just as much as to Dora. If she didn't want Marten to see her drunk she could have gone out or stayed in her room. You could argue that she wanted him to find her drunk and do something.
And saying "Marten is so wrapped up with Claire, he's distracted and didn't pick up the signals Faye was sending!" but not saying "Dora is so wrapped up with work, she's distracted and didn't pick up the signals Faye was sending" is such fucking bullshit.
I'm not saying Marten should feel responsibility for Faye's situation, or that he helped contribute to it. I am saying that Dora is just as blameless as Marten is.
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And again, people keep ignoring Faye's penchant for sarcasm and dry humor, and especially so when she's hiding how she really feels. If people didn't catch on that she was serious, it's not surprising. She's damned good at covering up her emotional state, which is just about always with sarcasm. How people keep forgetting about this is beyond me.
And if she's covering it up and not admitting that she's feeling like shit, then again, that comes back to being Faye's fault, not Dora's for not picking up on it.
aphanisis81:
A little perspective: These are people in their early 20s with a well-established collective lifestyle of drinking immoderately, especially in reaction to disappointments romantic and otherwise. It's true that Faye has been, from very early on, the one with the biggest problems and the biggest appetite for Kentucky corn juice, but to expect her friends to react to her post-Angus binges with interventions and such is simply not realistic. Say what you will about it, but that sort of hyper-responsible-adult course of action is not one that typical 20-somethings take. It's easy in hindsight to say "Why didn't they help her?!" In the moment, people have episodes like this (up to the hospitalization, not including) and people of that demographic roll with it, maybe worry a little, but not take concrete steps.
Yes, I'm generalizing like crazy here. I'm sure there are exceptions. But this is coming from my own experiences as a 20-something service industry employee in Northampton who had an extended social circle not at all unlike that in QC. Marten's and Dora's (non-) reactions strike me as completely realistic, and lamentable only after the fact.
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