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WCDT 2897 - 2901 (16-20 February 2015)

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swapna:

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Maybe Dora should have closed COD to better support Faye while she was going through a hard time. Dora could even sell CoD to help pay for Faye to go to rehab! Maybe Dora should have followed Faye around drinking all of the drinks before Faye could get to them!

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I think it's a difference of culture. Firing somebody on the spot (no benefits, nothing) is seen as something normal for Americans, but other cultures have very different sensibilities. I think it's horrible that she can even do such a thing without proper procedure. (same with the insurance)

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The thing is, it doesn't matter if it was in America or Europe or South Africa, Faye was fired for being in breach of contract. She was drinking on the job. That's universally something that everyone can be fired for. I've worked in bars and even if someone buys you a drink, you have to leave it until the end of shift or when the bar closes.

The simple thing here, when you begin a job, you sign a contract. That contract is a promise from both employee and employer about what is acceptable and unacceptable in the workplace. Faye broke the terms of that contract by drinking on the job. In the end, it was Faye and Faye alone that got her fired. Dora was in every right to fire her.

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I didn't say she shouldn't have been fired. I just say the way she has been fired seems barbaric to me. Usually, even when there's a breach of contract and the employee has to be let go, the process is way longer and less sudden, which helps if you're prone to rash decisions, as Dora is. Again, repeating, not saying that Faye shouldn't have been fired, but to be just thrown out of a business you worked for for years feels like an unnecessary cruelty to me.

ASB84: I don't think it's that. There's just things you don't have to point out (Faye's a bitch, sometimes.. a lot of times.. She's got an alcohol problem.. she really didn't handle her break-up too well and so on), so it's more interesting to talk about the finer points of the issue. For example: As Marten saw Faye lying there in her own vomit, the first thing he did was call his girlfriend  that he might not make it to tonight's movie-date. Of course Faye's drinking-until-she-passed-out is the worse offence here, but that goes without saying. It's more interesting to talk about Marten's lack of responsible reaction.

Mr. Black Licorice:

--- Quote from: ASB84 on 16 Feb 2015, 17:10 ---That's something else I've noticed: the prospect of legal action being taken against Dora keeps coming up. A flimsy case aside, it seems like there are people who really want to see her suffer or be punished for firing Faye. Again, kind of understandable given she's a divisive character, but extreme, and a tad silly. She shouldn't be punished for doing, as she acknowledges, what any other employer would do. Furthermore, she is already suffering, because she feels terrible about having to fire a friend.
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Legal action was something I brought up... but not because I think she should be punished for firing Faye. I was trying to explain why companies don't disclose reasons for termination to other employees. For the most part, I feel sympathetic to both characters.

Omega Entity:

--- Quote from: swapna on 16 Feb 2015, 17:20 ---For example: As Marten saw Faye lying there in her own vomit, the first thing he did was call his girlfriend  that he might not make it to tonight's movie-date. Of course Faye's drinking-until-she-passed-out is the worse offence here, but that goes without saying. It's more interesting to talk about Marten's lack of responsible reaction.

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We're back to this again? At first glance, he probably thought she puked and simply fell asleep. He was close enough to see that she was breathing, and shot off a quick call to let Claire know what was up. Upon further investigation (that he was unable to rouse her), -that- was the point to be alarmed. Considering the group's drinking habits as a whole, it was a perfectly acceptable response. How many times has someone in the group puked from alcohol consumption, then slept it off?

Now, if he'd sat there and had a 20-minute conversation with Claire, then there'd be an issue. But I'm pretty sure it's the former, and not the latter.

Omega Entity:
Sorry for the double post, but I'd argue that Marten was an -excellent- friend for immediately calling off his date, rather than simply planning on cleaning Faye up, putting her to bed, then going off on his way. The quick call illustrated that he was putting his friend's well-being first and opting to keep an eye on her, rather than leaving her alone.

Half Empty Coffee Cup:

--- Quote from: swapna on 16 Feb 2015, 17:20 ---I just say the way she has been fired seems barbaric to me.

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It's the US. Regarding labor, that's just how we are. Hail Reagan!  :evil:

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