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WCDT 2897 - 2901 (16-20 February 2015)
explicit:
Add-on: and regardless of whether or not anyone thinks that we should be able to discuss their intimacy and naughty bits, everyone needs to realize that a lot of people here are offended by that kind of talk. It's just plain old common courtesy to not talk about it.
Thrillho:
--- Quote from: cesariojpn on 18 Feb 2015, 01:26 ---
--- Quote from: Khazgar on 18 Feb 2015, 00:57 ---...so why can't we just respect Claire and Marten (and through them, all other real-life trans/cis couples) and allow them their privacy?
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So what your saying is, Jeph has every right to "discuss" a topic/explore an issue via an open forum like a webcomic, and his fans don't have the same "speaking right" to discuss or explore similar issues?
Thats.....not right.
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There is a difference between discussing the storyline developments and Marten's attitude towards them and unnecessary discussion of the finer details/mechanics of the sex they are having or not having/Claire's anatomy. This has been repeatedly explained as to the hurt it can cause to the actual trans* individuals who frequent this forum. This discussion has gone round and round in circles countless times and actual harm is being caused by these crass discussions. And if that doesn't work for you:
Moderator Comment The forum's rules are the forum's rules, and while the mods are always open to constructive criticism (there is a thread for that in Discuss) this is one issue on which we will not be budging. We are here to enforce those rules and maintain this forum as a safe place for all, and warnings and bans have been given out over this exact issue before now.
Genbuthesaint:
So anyone else hope Clinton or Marten's mom shows up in in the next few strips? I'm hoping Marten's mom shows up more, though his dads rock as well. Heck yeah! Two dads!
BenRG:
--- Quote from: Genbuthesaint on 18 Feb 2015, 02:27 ---So anyone else hope Clinton or Martens mom shows up in in the next few strips? I'm hoping Martens mom shows up more, though his dads rock as well. Heck yeah! Two dads!
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Claire and Marten arrive at the Augustus residence. Claire decides to show Marten her room. When they go upstairs, Mrs A steps out of her room in a negligee and squeaks in embarrassment. Marten, being Marten, is embarrassed but cool with it.
"Spitfire, who is it?" calls a voice that is so familiar that Marten and Claire forget all propriety. They peek in the room to see Jim and Veronica in the maternal Augustine bed.
TRAUMA COEFFICIENT: 250% AND RISING
ASB84:
As I've said before, I don't think people necessarily want negativity and drama with Marten and Claire - at least not this early - but there are those of us who are definitely hoping to see engaging storylines involving them that go beyond "look how cute they are together". If there is eventually a speed bump in their relationship, maybe it will be because Marten becomes too worried about saying or doing the wrong thing, or hurting Claire, and ends up being over-protective or treating her like she's fragile. That would be interesting, and well set up. That doesn't need to happen soon though (if at all), but again, I'd like to see them in arcs and adventures (as much "adventure" can be had in slice-of-life, that is) that are interesting, entertaining, amusing, and all that; more than just cutesy moments.
There can and should be cutesy moments of course, but if that's all there is, then frankly I'd find that a bit bland, boring, and off-putting after a while. Cut through the treacle and tell a few other stories along the way, is all I'm saying.
As for Clinton, I think it's been established that he's fine with their relationship and isn't going to interfere. While he's had his jerkass moments, I feel that Clinton has kind of gotten a bad rap. It actually reminds me a little of the situation with Dora; it seems like some people really want to see him humiliated and put in his place. I think his concern for Claire ultimately came from a good place, even if he handled it badly. A couple of strips have shown that she does appreciate the underlying sentiment, even if his approach annoys or embarrasses her. But, like Dora, he doesn't seem to be able to win with a portion of the audience that wants to see him "get his" every time he appears.
I guess I started to feel a bit sorry for him during the arc with Emily, where I felt Claire was bullying and being unnecessarily mean to him. His remark about being OK with her dating Marten as long as he was introduced to his "hot friends" was taken way out of context, I feel. His acceptance wasn't actually contingent on that, it was trying to play it cool while asking "So hey, since you've got someone now, I'd like to be set up". I think there's sympathetic backstory and likeable/relatable elements to Clinton's character, but it's tough for us to see that when we've seen his less admirable traits (even if some of them had admirable motivations).
Anyway, that conversation between Marten and Claire was good. It was more touching on a delicate topic without being tasteless or overstepping bounds, and it was a realistic discussion. It was also positive. Good stuff.
I'm also kind of hoping that everyone's reaction to Marten and Claire spending the night together is kind of downplayed. The punchline of people reacting with exuberant joy to Marten and Claire being together has been done to death at this point, so I'd rather not see it re-hashed again. It also comes off a little like it's shilling the relationship, which is unnecessary because we've seen it develop and have been shown the chemistry and dynamic between Marten and Claire. I'd rather see Tai make a sly, even slightly inappropriate remark that makes them blush, rather than throwing confetti and whatnot.
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