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QC and the Bechdel test
chaospersonified:
--- Quote from: Mlle Germain on 16 Mar 2015, 14:14 ---I am really confused by this post. Of course the question of whether there are sexist or queerphobic scenes in QC is a valid and interesting discussion topic and I don't think anybody was denying that.
It's just that the Bechdel test says nothing whatsoever about whether a single work of art (be it one strip of the comic or the whole of QC) is sexist or not -- there are a ton of really sexist and problematic narratives that pass the test, and a lot that are not in themselves sexist that don't. This is one of the points that has been made in the discussion! Saying that a certain test/tool is inappropriate for the task at hand does not mean dismissing the issue altogether!
I think if we want to discuss whether certain scenes in QC are problematic or not (not sure this would be a fertile discussion; I think a lot of these things have been discussed to death in the forum) we should thus do it without resorting to a test which has little or no bearing on the matter.
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That's the same point Reindeer was making, by way of a metaphor. They're say that using the Bechdel test to prove sexism is like trying to carve a turkey with a hammer, it's a tool being used in a way it's not intended. Just because a hammer can't carve a turkey, though, doesn't mean it's useless- it can hammer a nail.
Schwungrad:
But once the nail is driven in to its head, hammering further will only look like an attempt to hammer the board into some shape. So, what purpose does it serve to evaluate QC strip-by-strip, after it has already been established that QC as a whole passes the test?
chaospersonified:
--- Quote from: Schwungrad on 16 Mar 2015, 17:41 ---But once the nail is driven in to its head, hammering further will only look like an attempt to hammer the board into some shape. So, what purpose does it serve to evaluate QC strip-by-strip, after it has already been established that QC as a whole passes the test?
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Not a dang thing, so why are we here still?
Schwungrad:
--- Quote from: chaospersonified on 16 Mar 2015, 18:03 ---so why are we here still?
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Because someone is wrong on the internet!
chaospersonified:
--- Quote from: Schwungrad on 16 Mar 2015, 18:21 ---
--- Quote from: chaospersonified on 16 Mar 2015, 18:03 ---so why are we here still?
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Because someone is wrong on the internet!
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Normally, I'm that guy, but it seems to me we all agree, QC is not inherently sexist, and while the Bechdel test proves nothing, it can suggest that a piece of work might have sexist qualities
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