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Star Wars: Episode VIII
JoeCovenant:
Just seen the movie.
Did I hate it? Nah.
Did I LOVE it? Nah.
Am I astounded at the (to my mind) ludicrous arguments that the backlash is down to misogyny? You bet yer bum!
MY problem with the movie is simple.
Bad directorial decisions... (now read on.. IF YOU DARE!) :)
(click to show/hide)The (alleged) humour was just wrong... and it virtually opens the film!
The opening 30mins peppers us with these ridiculous moments, and then thankfully they tail away but... oh... look... right at the climax... (ish), Luke brushing the dirt from his collar... Jebus...
This is Mind-Numbing stuff.
And then we get to the WAY dodgy logistics.
Don't get me wrong, Star Wars is a trope-fest, always has been, but *generally* speaking these tropes don't leave mile-wide gaps in plot and logic.
A "Fleetkiller" can be rendered useless with ONE snub-fighter? Like, the 1st Order never learned a thing after DS 1 and 2 (and Starkiller base)?
The overseer or this tiny, tiny, TINY fleet of 1st order ships waits to have a chat with a Rebel ship?
I count three times people were exposed to vacuum and lived. (1 could kinda be forgiven).
Shall we overtake them sir? No, pull back our fighters and let's have an OJ Crawl chase! How long will this last sir? Long enough...
"They're tracking us!" "What?? We have a tracking device aboard our ship!?!?" "No they have a magic tracker that only needs them to have one." "....!"
Casino. (Utterly pointless, waste of time and unrequired intro of ultimately pointless character... ('unless'...))
(This bit really bugged me. SURELY a better story would have been Rose (the badly used and VERY well-played newbie) and Fin taking one of those cloakable escape pods and sliding through the 1st Order shields and Rose being a wiz at this kind of code breaking. Instead we get a bad chase, a STUPID attempt at decrying "Arms Traders" as being the cause of war !?!??! A worse chase, and the pick up of a worthless character who the 1st ordfer then.. um... gives a ship and a pile of stuff to?? WHAT!??!?!) And the whole physics of what happened when that explosion occurred bugged the hell out of me to. Everyone dies.. except rose and Fin and the very same troopers who were STANDING RIGHT BESIDE THEM come marching in with Phasma from half a mile away..???
Honestly... my TEN year old (Star Wars daft!) was FURIOUS at that bit! :)
And my Twelve year old (who rivals ME for his fandom) was really angry at this movie.... (Sounds like "WHo is this film for?" failed... ironically!)
"One of needs to stay behind and pilot the ship!" (Umm, no you don't... you see that big metal person RIGHT BEHIND you while you're talking about this?? Also... I didn't see a lot of ship piloting going on anyway.
Also... lets stand by the window and watch all those people die instead of doing what you should have done in the first place once everyone was off.
You know what.. I could go on for hours.
It may be hard to believe, I didn't hate the film.
I didn't hate the overall arc of the story, I just really disliked the typical Disney "our audience is stupid and will gladly lap up whatever sh*t we feed them" approach.
I see a lot of reviewers trying to suggest this was a clever and brave stance by Disney.
I see it as a badly directed movie.
I read a lot of "Who was this movie made for?" as if the millions (billions) of people who are already into Star Wars is not a good enough audience.
You cannot stand and honestly say "this was made for the future growing audience" as the future growing audience is already here and already locked into the franchise, and (as can be seen above, had some of the same concerns with it as ME... due to bad film making.)
It was just a flawed movie. Suspension of disbelief is one thing when it comes to the actual science of the fiction.
But staring in disbelief at the insane directorial decisions (and one or two of the writing ones) took me out of the movie again and again... and no-one wants that.
Pilchard123:
I think my biggest problem with the opening bombing run and Poe's demotion was the number of bombers sent. If just one craft's bombs was sufficient (and it evidently was), why sent the entire fleet? I get needing to send multiple so they could cover each other but given that they did have a fighter screen as well, why risk all of the bombers when just a handful would have sufficed?
I didn't mind the way the bombs moved (it's a film about space wizards with laser swords; scientific accuracy isn't the point here), or the unexpected "please hold" jokes (it's Disney, what are you going to do?). But the loss of the whole fleet is a fairly major plot point that didn't really need to happen.
Tova:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 08 Jan 2018, 03:48 ---Am I astounded at the (to my mind) ludicrous arguments that the backlash is down to misogyny? You bet yer bum!
--- End quote ---
I've seen a number of discussions about the backlash, but I've managed to miss this particular argument somehow.
You spend a lot of time speaking against the flaws for a film you allegedly don't hate?
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 08 Jan 2018, 19:11 ---
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 08 Jan 2018, 03:48 ---Am I astounded at the (to my mind) ludicrous arguments that the backlash is down to misogyny? You bet yer bum!
--- End quote ---
I've seen a number of discussions about the backlash, but I've managed to miss this particular argument somehow.
You spend a lot of time speaking against the flaws for a film you allegedly don't hate?
--- End quote ---
Yep...
If I had *hated* it I would have gone on for far longer nit-picking the thing to shreds and having nary a good word for it.
My ire is more at "What the hell are they doing to star wars!!!" I didn't hate the film... but I severely disliked the shift in ... *feel* of some portions (and characters) of it... and the lazy film making in places. (It's too easy to point to enormous flaws, is my main problem.)
Oh... that article... (I envy you - I've been seeing it EVERYWHERE!)
https://bittergertrude.com/2018/01/04/why-so-many-men-hate-the-last-jedi-but-cant-agree-on-why/
And now.. SO HAVE YOU !!!
MUUUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Sorry, it's been a hard week!) :-)
ETA:
When I went to find the above article, this one popped up... https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/19/the-last-jedi-why-star-wars-fans-hate-one-of-the-best-star-wars-movies/#2bb74c895658
Which AGAIN is running out the same old "reasons" that they "think" people are disliking the film for... and even *thisd* one falls onto the "the white older male audience" disliking it "because women!"
And I think that kind of garbage is only fuelling my ire! :)
I'll say it once more though...
BAD FILM-MAKING, bad logic and bad characterisation are my reasons.
I don't give a damn who is doing what or if "The men all fail"... I really don't... I just want to see a well crafted, logical movie without plot-holes you could drive a "fleet destroyer" through and scripted in a way that is as realistic as Sci Fi can be.
I am also annoyed at the "Ah but it isn't being made for *you* it's being made for the "new generation" of Star Wars fans...
Aye, right... because the new generation are different in what way, exactly, when it comes to expecting a well told tale?
Again, the pundits are commentating more on what they *think* people are annoyed about. (THEY'RE KILLING OFF OUR FRIENDS!)
Maybe some people are miffed at that... I kinda expected it!
Thrillho:
So, just to clarify: because you don't like the film due to subjective criticisms of the way it is written and shot, that means nobody at all is moaning about it being an SJW Star Wars movie?
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