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Star Wars: Episode VIII
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Thrillho on 09 Jan 2018, 03:30 ---So, just to clarify: because you don't like the film due to subjective criticisms of the way it is written and shot, that means nobody at all is moaning about it being an SJW Star Wars movie?
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No, it means *I* am not.
It never even entered my HEAD that it might end up being tagged with the SJW label.
But I think that might just be the way I think...
I don't see there being any problem female leads, or females in positions of power...
(I dunno if that comes from being Scottish and the female being a strong character anyway? EG, until Kesia's implosion all three major political parties in Scotland were helmed by women - two of them Lesbian.)
...but when Poe was being hauled over the coals for what he did, I was shouting (inwardly) "HELL yeah!" because he was WRONG.
And the whole mutiny thing??? Leia should have just shot him. (Had it not been Disney Wars she might well have. If he had been on the Razor he'd be floating in space by now! :) )
But again, this plays into the bad characterisation element... Playing characters against type, to create drama, to then be able to *solve* this drama.
Looking at it with SJW in mind... you know what, if I actually take a moment to think about it, maybe it *was* created to deliberately pit the women-folk agin the men-folk.
But I don't care.
I just want good stories well told. And this failed to vault that hurdle.
It even failed to put forward a good new strong female character, showing her to be indecisive after such a STRONG intro, and then watching melancholically as the ships float away... and only to slam dunk herself when it's nearly too bloody late. (Better idea? "One of us has to stay behind to pilot the ship" "What? No, leave a droid!" "Trust me, the ship has to be piloted away from this fleet"... hugs hugs hugs. one shot of watching the fleet head toward s the planet. One shot FROM the fleet, seeing the ship turn around. "What's she doing?" "Oh no...!"
WHAM !!!! (YMMV, but I think that would have made for a far better *end* to her arc. Strong woman, tough decision made prior to being forced into it.)
A friend of mine said she didn't like the fact that Fin is being hailed as a hero for attempting to escape the ship and then being dragged into a "heroic" scenario.
I didn't even think he *was* trying to escape! I thought he was trying to head over to the big shop to sabotage it himself! But, again, we're looking at cookie-cutter characters here, deliberately side-lining those better known (Chewbacca, anyone?) pushed aside to shift focus. (I did have problem with TFA when Rey took control of the Falcon... not because she's female, but because Chewie's been flying it far longer than she has! You can be as strong in the force as you like, but I don't; see why that give inherent ability to fly starships with no previous knowledge of them other than as salvage)
But I digress... :)
Maybe I should just pour all of this into a blog post and put up a link so you guys aren't forced to suffer this stream of semi--consciousness and you can all ignore the link! :)
:-D
Thrillho:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 08 Jan 2018, 03:48 ---Am I astounded at the (to my mind) ludicrous arguments that the backlash is down to misogyny? You bet yer bum!
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JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Thrillho on 09 Jan 2018, 04:20 ---
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 08 Jan 2018, 03:48 ---Am I astounded at the (to my mind) ludicrous arguments that the backlash is down to misogyny? You bet yer bum!
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???
Thrillho:
Isn't that sentence literally you saying that it's ludicrous to suggest that the backlash against the film is misogyny related?
Or by 'backlash' are you referring to just your own opinion of the movie?
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Thrillho on 09 Jan 2018, 04:53 ---Isn't that sentence literally you saying that it's ludicrous to suggest that the backlash against the film is misogyny related?
Or by 'backlash' are you referring to just your own opinion of the movie?
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I'm saying "to my mind" to suggest the backlash is based on misogyny is ludicrous.
Because I'm backlashing a bit and in no part does "the cast" even come into it.
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