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Star Wars: Episode VIII
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 18 Jan 2018, 14:00 ---Well, I agree with one thing. This won't win me any friends, but I do think there's an element of groupthink among hardcore fans.
Edit: A New Old Skywalker
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"laughable animal husbandry and death-defying spearfishing"
I am so glad he put this in... because it's (as I've said) part of my main problem with the movie.
People can wax lyrical as much as they like about whether "The Changing of the Guard" was a brave or stupid move, but Levitt seems to change his mind half way through his own article.
BUT... he lets the whole thing down with this little holier-than-thou sentence...
"I think there’s a certain enjoyment to be had from taking a subversive stance against the biggest “Big Hollywood” movie of the year. And I know I couldn’t kill that buzz even if I wanted to. "
I'm afraid MY answer to that would be "Screw" quickly followed by "YOU!"
Because I WANTED to LOVE this movie.
And (as I think my very first comment on it said) all it left me with was a feeling of disappointment.
I take NO enjoyment in my criticisms of it... because I don't want to be making them!
I can't (and wouldn't think to) talk for everyone... but I never knew there WAS a backlash until after I had seen the movie and formed my own opinions because I stayed FAAARRRR away from anything to do with the movie until I had seen it.
But again, none of these articles I am seeing lauding the film happen to touch upon the awful plot holes or the bad humour too much, apart from side-lining those points before rambling on about how it's really *brave* to change everything everyone knows about Star Wars!
And that opinion is just as valid as those of us who think it was Stupid to do so...
I can't agree with your "groupthink" comment though, Tova. We're not all sitting in a room planning how to demolish this.
It's just as easy to point that accusation at those looking to make a silk purse out of this particular sow's ear.
I haven't taken the time to sit down and compose some massive about the damage the alterations to characters and bad plot could be...
(Highlights apart from the things mentioned above would probably be the insidious Millennial Entitlement shown in the movie. Rey gets all she wants... "Because she's a strong-free-single woman y'awl! She doesn't need to WORK to be the hardest bad-ass saber wielder in the 'verse. She just TAKES it, grlfrnd!"
Not the best message to be putting out there...)
And I probably never will... :)
All I can do is hope that IX does what VIII did to VII :)
ETA:
This dude here, from the comments on the LEvitt article) kinda encapsulates most (but not all) of my problems with the film...
https://medium.com/@robbie.johnson/the-idea-of-the-risks-wasnt-bad-the-execution-was-11f3e429571e
ETAA:
I've just read all of the comments on the article.
I don't need to write anything now, a LOT of these guys get it (from my POV).
(And - look - NONE of it being "Why are these women/not-white-people getting all the glory!!??")
It's the craft... all to do with the (lack of) craft.
Tova:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 19 Jan 2018, 02:54 ---I can't agree with your "groupthink" comment though, We're not all sitting in a room planning how to demolish this.
It's just as easy to point that accusation at those looking to make a silk purse out of this particular sow's ear.
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Ha ha.
Of course I don't think anyone is doing that.
And yes, absolutely (your charactarisation of people who like the film notwithstanding).
In that order. :)
Edit: The article you linked. Some comments I agree with. Some I disagree. And some I find weird and nitpicky, like they are just grappling onto any flaw they can think of.
Just to make myself clear, with my groupthink remark, I'm not trying to say that people who hated the film are wrong and those who liked it are right. I'm just not convinced that the majority of people who disliked (or even liked) the film really know exactly why, let alone have the capability to explain it well. So they look to other reviews to try and explain it. So many SW geeks convinced they are great film critics.
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 19 Jan 2018, 03:10 ---
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 19 Jan 2018, 02:54 ---I can't agree with your "groupthink" comment though, We're not all sitting in a room planning how to demolish this.
It's just as easy to point that accusation at those looking to make a silk purse out of this particular sow's ear.
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Ha ha.
Of course I don't think anyone is doing that.
And yes, absolutely (your charactarisation of people who like the film notwithstanding).
In that order. :)
Edit: The article you linked. Some comments I agree with. Some I disagree. And some I find weird and nitpicky, like they are just grappling onto any flaw they can think of.
Just to make myself clear, with my groupthink remark, I'm not trying to say that people who hated the film are wrong and those who liked it are right. I'm just not convinced that the majority of people who disliked (or even liked) the film really know exactly why, let alone have the capability to explain it well. So they look to other reviews to try and explain it. So many SW geeks convinced they are great film critics.
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I can't agree with that, Tova.
I dunno if you have read the rest of the comments under that article - But I think those explaining why they dislike it are doing so VERY well.
When I first heard that Disney had taken this over I worried a bit.
Then I saw TFA and I thought.. okay, not bed.. let's see what happens.
And then I saw Rogue One and I thought WOW !!! Yes!!!
And I was So looking forward to TLJ...
Now, I'm worried about the last episode in the 'Saga'.
And fear that Star Wars will become another "straight to DVD" event... a sad end.
LeeC:
Here is something from Rian Johnson's twitter that I thought was funny. I remember getting this book back in like 2011 or was it 2012 before Disney got Star Wars.
(click to show/hide)
Tova:
I've read more of those comments than I care to admit.
For someone who found the film 'average', you're saying all the things being said by people who detested the film.
Anyway, we're moved from explanation into hyperbole, so I think we're done here.
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