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WCDT Strips 3211 to 3215 (2nd to 6th May 2016)
mikmaxs:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 06 May 2016, 01:54 ---
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 06 May 2016, 01:45 ---It doesn't matter if he would have said no, Claire still needs to give him the decision. He's not a child, he's an adult, and he should be free to choose how and whether he'll screw things up with Emily.
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You're still missing the point. Look at this from Claire's perspective:
* She knows her brother is wild about Emily (he won't stop talking about her);
* She knows that he won't ask her out on his own initiative and will actually actively avoid opportunities to do so;
* She knows that Clinton has a vacillating and indecisive personality when it comes to relationships.Given these two factors, how can she help him find happiness? Now, as it turns out, she went about it the wrong way but, at least from her perspective, it was justified because, as an older sister with a problematic relationship with him, she believed he would act like a child and not like an adult.
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Well, YES. That's why I'm saying that 'Claire did something wrong', and not 'Claire is an evil person'. She screwed up. The point is that Clinton *didn't* really screw up, other than perhaps reacting a bit harshly. (But not a vast amount too harshly, because Claire really did need a telling off for doing something bad.) So, since it's looking like this story is going to end with a 'Mutual-apology-we-both-did-wrong' moment, and since this comic makes it look like Clinton was being a hypocrite, I'm not liking it.
Akima:
Satori!
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 06 May 2016, 01:59 ---So, since it's looking like this story is going to end with a 'Mutual-apology-we-both-did-wrong' moment, and since this comic makes it look like Clinton was being a hypocrite, I'm not liking it.
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But... yeah. Though enlightenment about ones own shortcomings is valuable.
oddtail:
OK... so this has to be either cultural differences, or me being an idiot, because I honestly read the situation completely differently than most people seem to.
First of all, a mandatory disclaimer: no, I don't think Claire did the right thing. I think what she did was both stupid and wrong.
That being said... I think it's normal that close friends and family sometimes meddle in their close ones' lives. It's not desirable, but it's within normal parametres for such a relationship. Honesty and communication is the way to go, but I see what Claire did as thoughtless and her being a bit of a manipulative jerk. Not much more.
Clinton's reaction? I don't actually blame him for flying off the handle, because he was upset and such. He lashed out at the nearest person, and I don't think most people would do otherwise. But saying that Claire was "a real asshole" and that she should "fuck off" made me go "wow. Seriously?". Again, it's understandable, but I feel it's not even remotely justified.
Claire's attitude was patronizing, but I don't think a family member or a friend thinking they know better and helping someone against their will goes beyond, again, being kind of a jerk. And, again, maybe it's a cultural thing, I see people meddling in their family's personal affairs as a semi-acceptable thing in my neck of the woods. It pisses me off in most cases, but apparently it does not piss me off nearly as much as most people in this forum. Or Clinton, for that matter.
I've never done anything resembling Claire's setting Clinton up, mostly because I'm clueless and have the social graces of Harpoon Lady (OK, maybe not THAT bad). I guess I'd usually be the Clinton in such situations, not the Claire. But if I did something clumsy and thoughtless and put someone in a kinda-sorta-bad-but-not-really situation, and they told me to fuck off, I'd probably, well, happily oblige and fuck off. Which is to say, give up on any interaction with the person at least until they cooled off.
It's entirely possible that I'm completely misreading the situation, but I am genuinely surprised by the amount of condemnation Claire is receiving, here. My reaction and level of pissed-off-ness is about on the level of Marten's comment from a few strips back, I guess.
swapna:
Maybe it is cultural, because if I meddled with my younger brother's life that way, uninvited (I do dish out advice, but only if asked) I would expect a similar reaction and feel it's justified. It's about respecting him and his date as a person, and respecting him to do his own choices (even if he didn't have a date until he was 21. It's not as if she was any "better" in at regard; and even if she were, it still doesn't mean she has to push him to do as she does).
If this is a sitcom plot where Clinton discovers that he actually wants his sister to manipulate him, I'll be very disappointed, but it seems to be heading that way.
bhtooefr:
Two comics I'm going to put in here for reference:
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2849 He did specifically request some meddling (although not the amount that happened)
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2851 The part in which messing with him came up was actually Marten's idea
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