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WCDT Strips 3211 to 3215 (2nd to 6th May 2016)
oddtail:
--- Quote from: swapna on 06 May 2016, 03:12 ---If this is a sitcom plot where Clinton discovers that he actually wants his sister to manipulate him, I'll be very disappointed, but it seems to be heading that way.
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That would certainly suck. But I'm not sure if that's where things are going. And I still think Clinton overreacted. Claire did put him in an uncomfortable situation and it was uncalled for, but she didn't do anything that might possibly ruin his life. She put him in a situation that he didn't want to be in, but not one that actually harmed him.
And heck, most of the damage was that he talked about being angry at Claire in front of Emily (not that I blame him, he was clearly blindsided). He could still, pissed off as he was, decide not to ask Emily out and leave as quickly as possible, and THEN complain about having been manipulated. He felt he had been manipulated, but decided to go for it anyway, and got REALLY angry only after he failed. It makes it look like Claire forced him to ask Emily out, and she merely put him in a place that Emily worked. That's different. Yes, she had a particular outcome in mind, but there's a difference between putting someone in a difficult situation and putting a gun to their head to do something.
For me, it boils down not to whether Claire showed disrespect for Clinton's judgment (because she clearly did), but to whether this is a big deal.
And now that I think about it, I might be overcorrecting, because I go into panic mode in any unfamiliar situation. So maybe I am mentally downplaying the harm done to Clinton, because like 30% of my social interactions feel like "Clinton asking Emily out". I've had to train myself into a "it's just me" mode of analysis of difficult situations involving people, or otherwise I'd probably blame someone for *some* kind of manipulation/meddling (rightly or wrongly) 24/7. I might be overapplying that reasoning to the comic.
And, well, I just tend to judge people's decisions as un-harshly as possible, because in my experience, that's both more productive and more fair. I don't think mistakes, even avoidable ones, should be regarded on the same level as malice. Sometimes people just don't think things through, it's best to shrug and move on.
dreed:
I just want add two cents.
Clinton is one of those people who needs to have people meddle in his life.
If Claire didn't push him he would never ask her. And that leaves self doubt indecision and regret.
And that is much worse than any anger and embarrassment he felt.
He will get over it. He might have never got over Emily if he did not ask.
oddtail:
--- Quote from: dreed on 06 May 2016, 03:47 ---I just want add two cents.
Clinton is one of those people who needs to have people meddle in his life.
If Claire didn't push him he would never ask her. And that leaves self doubt indecision and regret.
And that is much worse than any anger and embarrassment he felt.
He will get over it. He might have never got over Emily if he did not ask.
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I completely agree, but the correct way to push him would be to persuade him, to convince him, heck - even to badger him until he caved in. Even if he ended up too chicken to ask Emily out, it was his (bad) decision to make.
Some people really, really need to be pushed, but there's a difference between goading someone to take swimming classes, and shoving them into a swimming pool when their back is turned. Claire did the equivalent of the latter. It wasn't a horrible crime, but it was not a very nice thing to do regardless.
Zebediah:
Okay, let's all take a step back here, because most of you seem to be missing the entire point of this strip.
It's not trying to say that Claire manipulating Clinton was right. It is simply Clinton realizing that that isn't what he's actually mad about. Period. End of story.
Yeah, Claire was still wrong to do so. But deep down, what really got under Clinton's skin is the rejection from Emily.
And that, friends, is all. Any additional meaning is supplied entirely by the mind of the reader.
Tova:
--- Quote from: swapna on 06 May 2016, 03:12 ---If this is a sitcom plot where Clinton discovers that he actually wants his sister to manipulate him, I'll be very disappointed, but it seems to be heading that way.
--- End quote ---
I am amazed that everyone is getting this impression.
Claire has already recognised that she did the wrong thing. No-one is suddenly going to backtrack on that.
The reason that Claire did the wrong thing is not because she took him to CoD, it's that she did it without telling him that's what she was doing and getting his agreement.
Clinton did not have an epiphany that Claire was right to meddle in his life without his knowledge or permission. He's realised that, although she went about things absolutely the wrong way, he really does want Claire's help in this. He's going to go back and repeat that he really does not want her doing that kind of thing behind his back again - and now, would she please help him. Only with his knowledge and persmission this time.
He's not going to go back and say "I was wrong, please manipulate my life without my knowledge, however did I imagine that was wrong?" Seriously!
Clinton has uttered simply the word "Ohhhhhh," and the result on these forums has been an amazing inkblot test.
Edit: THANK YOU ZEBEDIAH, FINALLY
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