Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDLT - November 2016
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 27 Nov 2016, 14:19 ---As awful as Pate is...is he worse than the Praeses?
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Quite simply - we have no idea yet!
Tova:
It's perhaps interesting to reflect that Pate (allegedly) wants to use Ardent to help him get to the Praeses, along with the well founded conjecture that Ardent is where he is now only because the Praeses want him to be there.
Method of Madness:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 27 Nov 2016, 14:47 ---She's got Sedna, who is pretty much equivalent to her
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Wait, what? What makes you think that? Sedna uses guns, while Alice is so strong she can punch through a nanotech shield.
wlewisiii:
--- Quote from: brasca on 27 Nov 2016, 14:10 ---
--- Quote from: retrosteve on 27 Nov 2016, 08:33 ---
--- Quote from: brasca on 27 Nov 2016, 05:34 ---If it were anyone else it would be hopeless, but this is Alice so there is a better than average chance. I can understand keeping her wits as well as those around her, but Gavia is deeply shaken by all this and not hysterical. Telling her to shut up seems needlessly mean.
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To me it seems absolutely necessary. Alice's one remaining advantage is that Pate doesn't know all of her plans. When Gavia begins "...we can't let him" that's likely to be the beginning of Gavia blurting out information on their plans, and Alice really doesn't want to lose another advantage just then.
The fact that Pate seems well aware of their plans doesn't emerge for another few moments.
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Pate seems to know just about everything at this point including Ardent's abilities. The only thing he doesn't (unless Alice's cottage was bugged) is that Ardent might subconsciously influence what he upgrades which might come as a rude awakening if the computer on their upgraded spaceship flushes him and Church out the airlock. However, I doubt it would end so easily. Where Pate is literally in the dark about is space. He doesn't know what the habitats are like which is what he's likely to ask Ardent and/or Gavia next. It's easy enough to tell her to be quiet, but keep in mind Pate is calling the shots now and if he thinks they are lying he could kill another innocent person to show his displeasure. Who among us would want that on their conscience?
That being said Gavia may prove crucial if Pate thinks she's on his side. She wants to go home and may have similar philosophies regarding technology so he might consider her the least likely to resist. Moreover, she likes to learn new things and Pate seems like the type of villain who loves to bend people to his way of thinking and would be pleased to have an apprentice. As such she could lull him into a false sense of security and lead him into a trap once they arrive at the habitat or if Church is controlled by some code as some have theorized she might be able to get close enough to break Pate's control over him.
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"Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.” ?
I do think that the way forward, story telling wise, is for him to be underestimating one or more of the heroes. Gavia is obvious but so is Ardent. Remember he was standing there ready to die before Alice pulled her blow.
brasca:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 27 Nov 2016, 14:47 ---
--- Quote from: brasca on 27 Nov 2016, 05:34 ---If it were anyone else it would be hopeless, but this is Alice so there is a better than average chance.
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She's got Sedna, who is pretty much equivalent to her, damaged right next to her; she can't just assume she can handle this as easily as usual.
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Alice can't win with brute force. If she could then she and Sedna would've dealt with Mr. Church instead of attempting to flee in the night. However, she knows more about the past than Mr. Pate and he probably knows nothing of the Praeses so this gives her some advantages, but she'll have to out think him which may be possible since like most villains his arrogance can outweigh his intelligence.
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 27 Nov 2016, 14:47 ---
--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 27 Nov 2016, 14:19 ---As awful as Pate is...is he worse than the Praeses?
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Quite simply - we have no idea yet!
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Indeed. This may all be a trap to bring the last of the immortals to a space habitat where they can nullify their abilities and conquer Earth without any trouble. Mr. Church is unbeatable on the ground, but if he is plunged into zero gravity or propelled toward the moon, Mars, or even the sun then it doesn't matter how powerful he is. Alice assumed she was all that stood in the way, but I doubt Mr. Pate would like it if the Praeses invaded without him being a part of the new world order. If the Praeses knew all of the people that would potentially thwart their plans and could eliminate them in one fell swoop this would be the best way.
I'm starting to think this will end like Eanbrain Tain's ill-fated preemptive strike against the Founders.
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