Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDLT - November 2016
Ghanima Atreides:
--- Quote from: brasca on 19 Nov 2016, 13:17 ---
If he's not more powerful Church takes orders from Pate because of some hold over him that we have yet to see.
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Pate definitely has some kind of hold over Church that we have yet to see. Note how he says "I will allow Mr. Church to indulge himself further"
Verteiron:
What a dickweed.
brasca:
--- Quote from: jheartney on 21 Nov 2016, 07:35 ---I think the meaning behind "won't suffer for long" is much more violent: Pate's planning to kill everybody that knows about this dig. Why? A. so that there won't be witnesses, and B. so whenever he extracts whatever he's looking for, no one will know where it came from. Twins remain alive because Pate's interested in the orbitals, and Alice and Sedna will stay alive as having more immortals at his command is helpful to Pate, so long as they cooperate.
As much Bad News as Church is, Pate is worse.
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I doubt he'll kill the archaeophiles. They may expendable in his overall scheming, but what reason would he have for covering his tracks? He has Mr. Church. Who could threaten his interests? I believe Mr. Pate is making a thinly veiled threat about Alice's village. Even though he couldn't sic Church on the people without being defenseless I'm sure he has a gang of baseline thugs who could ride in and burn it down if ordered.
retrosteve:
As has already been pointed out, the point we've just reached was inevitable from the moment Alice figured out what Church was. She underestimated Church, which Pate has also taken note of and therefore downgraded his estimation of Alice and Sedna accordingly.
Just a few notes on the visuals that have been striking me, especially given Jeph's now high-level skill at representing body language and subtle facial cues:
* Church (still "Loomis" to me) always appears totally bored, except when he's indulging in violence. This may be indicative of his relationship with Pate and may even be a wedge Alice can later use. Remember, he's a person, not an AI, certainly not a robot. He might be big and strong and fast and sleepless, but he still has motivations.
* Pate looks...cute. Even more so without his glasses. Young, innocent, boyish. Hardly like the pseudo-civilized psychopathic megalomaniac his words indicate. At one point he even sounds middle-aged, complaining he's not as spry as he once was. He should be greying, hardened, with a balding, er, pate, and perhaps stroking a Persian cat. Jeph doesn't draw looks by accident. The deliberate contrast must mean something, and I declare it a clue. (Even if he's really supposed to look like David Willis, he's younger than Willis too.)
* Pate appears totally at ease with the violence Church inflicts. Another clue.
* Pate's intelligence (or his reading of social cues) is scary good. He's figured out what Alice and Sedna are, but also which one is in charge, and their plan, all from pretty scanty evidence.
* Alice as prisoner and nursemaid to injured Sedna, being told she'll have to obey arbitrary commands, doesn't look scared or horrified. She just looks pissed off.
Tova:
--- Quote from: retrosteve on 23 Nov 2016, 14:23 ---Remember, he's a person, not an AI, certainly not a robot.
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And now for my dumb question of the day. Do we know this for sure?
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