Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDLT - November 2016
retrosteve:
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--- Quote from: retrosteve on 23 Nov 2016, 14:23 ---Remember, he's a person, not an AI, certainly not a robot.
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And now for my dumb question of the day. Do we know this for sure?
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Pretty much. If Alice's exposition was right, then we know it for sure.
http://www.comic-rocket.com/read/alice-grove/73
If Alice was lying or deluded then all bets are off. Otherwise:
* Alice was there at The Blink
* All AIs vanished at that time but Alice didn't.
* So Alice isn't an AI.
* Alice recognizes Church as the same kind of thing as her and Sedna.
* Pate confirms that he knows this too.
* So Church is also not an AI.
Fer sure.
P.S. Reading through the comic linked above again, the Occam's Razor interpretation is that Alice, Sedna and Church are biologically enhanced humans. AIs were eliminated at the Blink. The other possibilities require a third type of entity not mentioned.
Is it cold in here?:
An enhancement that leaves someone uninjured after having a pipe bent around his head is Clarkean technology.
Mr. Church must be made of something other than protein.
Tova:
--- Quote from: retrosteve on 23 Nov 2016, 17:53 ---
--- Quote from: Tova on 23 Nov 2016, 17:04 ---
--- Quote from: retrosteve on 23 Nov 2016, 14:23 ---Remember, he's a person, not an AI, certainly not a robot.
--- End quote ---
And now for my dumb question of the day. Do we know this for sure?
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If Alice was lying or deluded then all bets are off.
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So.
Do androids dream of electric sheep?
brasca:
--- Quote from: retrosteve on 23 Nov 2016, 17:53 ---
--- Quote from: Tova on 23 Nov 2016, 17:04 ---
--- Quote from: retrosteve on 23 Nov 2016, 14:23 ---Remember, he's a person, not an AI, certainly not a robot.
--- End quote ---
And now for my dumb question of the day. Do we know this for sure?
--- End quote ---
Pretty much. If Alice's exposition was right, then we know it for sure.
http://www.comic-rocket.com/read/alice-grove/73
If Alice was lying or deluded then all bets are off. Otherwise:
* Alice was there at The Blink
* All AIs vanished at that time but Alice didn't.
* So Alice isn't an AI.
* Alice recognizes Church as the same kind of thing as her and Sedna.
* Pate confirms that he knows this too.
* So Church is also not an AI.
Fer sure.
P.S. Reading through the comic linked above again, the Occam's Razor interpretation is that Alice, Sedna and Church are biologically enhanced humans. AIs were eliminated at the Blink. The other possibilities require a third type of entity not mentioned.
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Sedna said Alice doesn't lie so unless proven otherwise she's telling the truth, but there is the possibility that their memories may be falsely implanted or that they were in fact AIs who mysteriously gained super advanced organic bodies after the blink and just don't know it because of some programmed amnesia. I'm sure the AI faction will emerge at some point in this story and it will probably be quite the plot twist. Perhaps Mr. Pate will be revealed as one. He certainly knows a lot about Alice and her kind. Maybe he found a damaged Mr. Church and repaired and reprogrammed him to do his bidding. As such he may be physically weaker than the other immortals, but if he can download his consciousness into a spare body he may be more difficult to kill than he appears.
plusorminus:
Pate is reminding me a lot of Hux from the new Star Wars movies. My suspicion, given how young he appears to be, his employment of Lurch, and the deference/fear we saw in the woman doing the briefing when Pate was first introduced, is that Pate is the latest in a line of dictators, possibly inheriting his "kingdom" from his forebears. Possibly, pre-Blink, the Pates saw the coming apocalypse and built themselves a bomb shelter to ride it out, emerged victorious and managed to carve themselves out a bit of power in the fallout. As we see him now, Pate is not the sort that anyone would just choose as their leader. It is possible that Lurch is an AI that doesn't know he is an AI but has been in service to Pate's family and now serves him. I'm not sure. I do think Pate is baseline.
The murder of Ellie puzzles me from a storytelling standpoint, but beyond that, I wonder what will happen next with her group. She was their leader. I feel like if Alice's little fiefdom is equivalent to, say, 17th Century Salem, then Ellie's was more mid-19th Century Wild West, as far as technological advances and Ellie's understanding that Sedna and Alice are powerful, but they are not "witches." That would indicate to me that her group has a similar knowledge base. It is very possible that the archeophiles, seeing that the strangers have brought bad trouble to their heretofore peaceful group, will raise a fuss. Obviously they can't go up against Lurch, but if Lurch truly is counterpuncher and cannot go on offense, Pate could very well whip the townspeople into a frenzy over Ellie's death and that would be big trouble for Alice.
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