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WCDT Strips 3461-3465 (17-21 April 2017)
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 25 Apr 2017, 15:16 ---Hey Joe, I am sorry about the snark. I can act like a bit of a dickhead sometimes.
I didn't mean to take a swipe at your intelligence though. Honestly, I was actually shooting for 'stubborn bastard.' ... I hope you're laughing now, or I'm really in the shit.
On a more serious note...
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 25 Apr 2017, 08:46 ---I DEEPLY hope it comes out that those very memories have been deliberately purged by someone... otherwise it is simply not believable. The suggestion that ANY person, AI or otherwise, would so easily forget the faces of their colleagues... ESPECIALLY those they were in combat with... flies in the face of 'real-life' experience.
I shan't go into too much personal detail here, but I had a great deal of experience when I was younger, discussing 'Living History' matters with WWII veterans. All of them at some point said the same thing. They never forgot those experiences, and can recall their 'lads' as if it were yesterday. My grandfather was one of those, and he was shot in the face (and survived, thankfully).
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Good point. On the general topic of total recall we may still differ (though I'm not sure one way or the other, just leaning), but here I believe you are 100% correct.
I suspect, though, that the answer is that this was collateral damage to the purging that CW carried out.
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Tova...
No more need be said.
It takes a person of enormous magnitude to make the post you just have.
Stubborn? Moi?? NEVVEERRR!!! (Well... evidence might point to the contrary, but no-one cares about evidence do they??) :wink:
As regards the second part.... I think that's actually all I've been wanting to say, but kept getting sidelined trying to 'support' my belief, but after putting out a bit clumsily, what that actual belief was.
Cheers m'man.
Is it cold in here?:
Here's another wrinkle. It didn't happen to any of the WW2 veterans mentioned up-thread, but humans are capable of traumatic amnesia. QC AIs work astonishingly like carbon-based intelligences.
That's not what happened to Bubbles but it's a road to understanding how a computer might forget something.
Here's another line of reasoning, related. QC AIs have the same emotions we do including painful ones. They don't all go tragically insane. If they combined perfect recall with having emotion attached to memories then they would go tragically insane.
I can't imagine a life form with the psychological strength to endure perfect recollection of every painful thing that ever happened to them.
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 27 Apr 2017, 17:45 ---Here's another wrinkle. It didn't happen to any of the WW2 veterans mentioned up-thread, but humans are capable of traumatic amnesia. QC AIs work astonishingly like carbon-based intelligences.
That's not what happened to Bubbles but it's a road to understanding how a computer might forget something.
Here's another line of reasoning, related. QC AIs have the same emotions we do including painful ones. They don't all go tragically insane. If they combined perfect recall with having emotion attached to memories then they would go tragically insane.
I can't imagine a life form with the psychological strength to endure perfect recollection of every painful thing that ever happened to them.
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But isn't it true that it's our most painful memories which are the clearest?
(I'm POSITIVE I've read that somewhere before...)
ETA: This isn't what I previously read, but it's the first thing I found... http://www.livescience.com/49071-why-painful-memories-linger.html
As opposed to, say, the memory of physical pain, (which we can remember but not... not sure how to put it... clearly recall?)
Either way...
I suppose that taking 'human' experience, which I agree 'can' sit on both sides of the memory scale, and translating that to AI experience (which is fictional and differs for each iteration of universes they inhabit - but let's stick with this one.. :) ) then I can certainly concede that IF AI brains are a perfect mirror of human brains (and putting aside my belief that they can't/shouldn't be :-P ) then such traumatic amnesia is possible... for specific instances... but surely not seen as the 'norm'?
But... for such amnesia to wipe out ALL memories, of every day spent with said colleagues... well, I guess that's where the stubborn bugger side of me rises.
:-)
(ETA again... Why isn't Bubbles in therapy!?!?!?)
Storel:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 28 Apr 2017, 02:40 ---I suppose that taking 'human' experience, which I agree 'can' sit on both sides of the memory scale, and translating that to AI experience (which is fictional and differs for each iteration of universes they inhabit - but let's stick with this one.. :) ) then I can certainly concede that IF AI brains are a perfect mirror of human brains (and putting aside my belief that they can't/shouldn't be :-P ) then such traumatic amnesia is possible... for specific instances... but surely not seen as the 'norm'?
But... for such amnesia to wipe out ALL memories, of every day spent with said colleagues... well, I guess that's where the stubborn bugger side of me rises.
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Wasn't that the whole point of what Corpse Witch's "operation" was supposed to do to Bubbles's memories? IIRC correctly, Bubbles said that after the memories were edited she still had an overall "outline" of what happened, but all the details that were driving her crazy were gone. So now that the memories turn out to be permanently gone -- well, nothing has changed for Bubbles: she still has the "big picture", but none of the fine details. As I understand it, Bubbles didn't lose any memories accidentally, it was all because of what Corpse Witch did.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 28 Apr 2017, 02:40 ---But... for such amnesia to wipe out ALL memories, of every day spent with said colleagues... well, I guess that's where the stubborn bugger side of me rises.
:-)
(ETA again... Why isn't Bubbles in therapy!?!?!?)
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Lots of good question, thank you Joe.
There was a hint that Bubbles tried therapy and gave up. It's where she yelled at Faye for trying to help and said "Better minds than yours have tried". Maybe she's better prepared to make a go of it now.
As far as the scope of traumatic amnesia goes, it's not unheard of for a PTSD therapist to say something like "some of my clients have told me they don't remember anything from their childhood".
And it turns out I'm using the phrase "traumatic amnesia" wrong. I'm not sure what to Google for to find the phenomenon I'm describing.
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