Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDLT - MAY 2017
BenRG:
I think that Alice uses 'witch' as a convenient shorthand for what she is and what she is capable of that avoids her having to tell a long, harsh story which even she would be happier if she could forget.
blt:
I'm more with BenRG on this one. To me, the fact that she uses it fairly regularly, and says it to Gavia in private (who would obviously know better), says there's a bit more character depth to it than just "Hey you're a witch" "K whatever"
Maybe she likes the title or the image, or maybe it's just a convenient shorthand.
Anyway, if you can't see anything beyond "She's deflecting/lol ironic sarcasm", not even to "She's deflecting/and MAYBE there's some character reason she prefers witch based on her repetition of it", I'm not sure what to tell you.
derech:
The rest is more squishy, and rather depends on if a listener/reader thinks referring to oneself with a name others have used is calling yourself that thing to what extent. Although using a word as a descriptive shortcut because others have called you that or because it's as good as any other word that is calling yourself that. Even if you meant it in another way than others did, especially if it's partially correct in one or more parts of its definitions. Just because it's sarcastic or ironic or non-serious doesn't mean you're not calling yourself that.
Obviously not everyone looks at these things in the same way. It's also not easily a debate that can be concluded definitively one way or another. See also: White Horse Dialogue, map-territory relationship, sense and reference, use-mention distinction.
What is fairly certain (from what we've seen) is that Alice has never directly claimed to be an actual witch in the sense of having magic in the sense of being able to cast spells, and as far as anyone here knows, has never cast any. Spells in the sense of non-technical "powers" and paranormal methods of manipulating otherwise natural forces and without requiring the use of tools to do so. Just like it's fairly certain she has referred to herself as one, as have others. Is that her saying she's a witch, perhaps.
Tova:
--- Quote from: blt on 23 May 2017, 05:32 ---Anyway, if you can't see anything beyond "She's deflecting/lol ironic sarcasm", not even to "She's deflecting/and MAYBE there's some character reason she prefers witch based on her repetition of it", I'm not sure what to tell you.
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Let's go with "we agree to disagree."
OldGoat:
--- Quote from: derech on 23 May 2017, 09:09 ---What is fairly certain (from what we've seen) is that Alice has never directly claimed to be an actual witch in the sense of having magic in the sense of being able to cast spells, and as far as anyone here knows, has never cast any. Spells in the sense of non-technical "powers" and paranormal methods of manipulating otherwise natural forces and without requiring the use of tools to do so. Just like it's fairly certain she has referred to herself as one, as have others. Is that her saying she's a witch, perhaps.
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Note Clarke's Third Law.
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