Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDLT - MAY 2017
Tova:
She's cracking wise here too. Positively dropping with irony. I can't see how you can read this any other way. Honestly.
sitnspin:
--- Quote from: blt on 22 May 2017, 18:28 ---Alice also refers to herself as a witch here too, speaking to Gavia and not her townspeople. I think she puts more stake in the "witch" thing than just irony.
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I interpreted that as her trying to deflect.
Tova:
Yes, exactly, I agree.
Imagine that you ask me how I know this, and I reply, "Because I'm a genius."
Even if you were taking me seriously, there's no reason to take me at my word (and every reason not to). But it's a deflection, not an answer. In Alice's case, good enough for the townsfolk, but not for Gavia.
OldGoat:
--- Quote from: Tova on 22 May 2017, 20:13 ---She's cracking wise here too. Positively dropping with irony. I can't see how you can read this any other way. Honestly.
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"Witch," from the Old English "wicce" meaning a wise woman. A wicce was also understood to be an elder (probably because age and wisdom usually go hand in hand). Alice is calling herself a witch in this sense, not the fairy tale Halloween hag version of the Christian Church's Whore of Babylon wanna-be you seem to be assuming.
Immensely old, unfathomably wise (or at least knowledgeable), and preternaturally powerful - describes Alice pretty well, doesn't it?
I picked up on the significance of the surname Grove when Jack's uncle told him to "Go get the witch" in the sixth comic.
Tova:
Whether you think the term describes Alice well has little bearing on whether Alice self-identifies that way. Just to remind you of the root of this conversation:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 17 May 2017, 07:22 ---I think it's more that humans tend to refer to any woman with abilities they don't understand as a witch. She never called herself a witch, she just accepts that that's what the villagers call her.
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I'm not going to enter into the topic of whether the term "witch" really is appropriate. I didn't think so, given its history.
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