Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017
JimC:
--- Quote from: brasca on 04 Jun 2017, 14:46 ---It didn't take long for Pate to regain his bravado. They live as long as he lives and right now which is a short term solution until they leave wherever it is in the habitat.
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What Pate seems to have missed is that as far as we know Gavia is a fairly typical inhabitant of the space habitats, so probably a significant number of them can apply the same leverage.
I'm wondering why Gavia and Ardent are apparently yet to attempt to contact the Praeses or even other inhabitants.
BenRG:
--- Quote from: JimC on 05 Jun 2017, 03:11 ---I'm wondering why Gavia and Ardent are apparently yet to attempt to contact the Praeses or even other inhabitants.
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Neutralising Church and making sure Alice doesn't need emergency aid probably are more significant issues to them; they'll likely think about contacting 'the authorities' when they have five minutes to draw breath and think about their next move.
brasca:
Seeing as how they are in the outermost layer of the habitat there might be a maintenance passage and if there isn't Gavia can order Church to make one.
I also had a thought that maybe Pate's speech is more for Church's benefit than anyone else's. Church has a compulsion to serve, but there may be limits. If the master he chooses is a capricious fool wallowing in the benefits of their position he might abandon them because they aren't serving the greater good. It might not be all about choosing the most ruthless, but the most responsible. Perhaps if it was revealed that Pate would let the world burn if he could be king of the ashes he would abandon him because he betrayed his duty.
OldGoat:
--- Quote from: JimC on 05 Jun 2017, 03:11 ---I'm wondering why Gavia and Ardent are apparently yet to attempt to contact the Praeses or even other inhabitants.
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Ardent's planet-side "vacation" wasn't authorized, nor was Gavia's apparentlly self-assigned sibling recovery mission. Neither one of them was supposed to have gone down to the surface - at least that was the official position - and both would just as soon sneak back into the dorm or whatever unnoticed. They're still kids and haven't worked out how to respond to being used as pawns.
But they will. Whatever else the series is, it's a coming of age story with Ardent and Gavia as the protagonists. We're already watching Gavia go from a bossy what? 17 year old? to a young adult with some planning and leadership ability. Those who have read Joseph Campbell will recognize the hero's journey she's been on.
derech:
We might as well ask why shoot the moon with nanotech.
Well any past conflict that hasn't been experienced by those who came later has pretty much been lost to memory emotionally. Plus what remains of the tales is colored by those who succeeded, and many times (especially given the types of records from hundreds or thousands of years ago) the PR of the side that won puts the truth second if at all. But mostly, if nobody remembers something from experience, how much can they feel happy or sad about some facts about people who aren't around any more.
Pate seems honestly angry that humans don't have more currently. Not happy that things are like they are, blaming others for keeping it like this. Opportunity squandered, not reaching true potential. Yet the hubris that he's the one to do it, his easy dismissal of the fact that the more almost lead to humanity's total downfall, and his egotism that somehow this is a terrible state to be in (and clearly no matter what, unpreferable to another state, and in the ways he says).... he could be correct. Parts of what he says about striving and becoming better are, even if the way he carries them out is bad evil horrible. Or maybe that's the only way such things get done.
Perhaps Alice and those like her are unduly afraid or unrepairably mentally scarred. Or maybe he's a megalomaniac that has no idea how even more horrible the results would be if things had gone that way. How many like him have their been in the last 50 generations all over the habitated parts of the planet? How many others have tried and apparently failed. Or given themselves a king's life and been happy with just pretending there were bigger plans. I suppose we could say that at least Pate is taking action.
We rather need to find out if there are others with motives pushing what's been going on. Who is driving it if there are.
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