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Alice Grove MCDLT - THE END...?
Is it cold in here?:
Wouldn't you be steamed in her situation?
Wondering whether the reptilian eyes are her true form brings up the question of how you define the true form of a being that lives outside the laws of physics.
Was Alice ever human?
Why was Laridia only mildly concerned about the level of threat from Alice and company? Seems to me that anyone to whom physics is optional is existentially dangerous.
retrosteve:
--- Quote from: WareWolf on 10 Jul 2017, 17:20 ---Anyone want to venture a guess as to why Alice seems to be suddenly giving off smoke, or maybe steam?
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She's not. The drops of blood on her hair and clothes are evaporating very fast, because she wants them to. And because she can violate entropy to do it.
retrosteve:
To quote Faye: What the ASS?
This last cartoon is seriously risking losing the plot for me. Not because of the outlandish physics, or the difficult exposition.
No, because it's all wrong. This is the ENDING. In the ending, you resolve the questions and plot complications based on the physics and rules you ALREADY set up. You don't start setting up NEW physics and rules.
Not only is it wrong from the writer/reader contract point of view, it's wrong from the 'let's just explain what we just saw' point of view. We just saw Sedna rip her own arm off and bleed out while shivving Church. And we just heard was that at least one of the participants' realities was actually a simulation, and maybe the current one too. The explanation we needed was "How did Sedna just go faster than Church and become stronger than his armor?". An explanation based on the last two things would make sense. What we got was just the opposite of that. Plus Alice using a vague "we" about the ability to violate entropy at will is just...bleah.
FIrst, nothing any of the supersoldiers has done required entropy violation (up to, perhaps, Alice's self-cleaning blood removal). So saying they can do that doesn't really answer much. But it does open up a wildcard that Alice (and whoever else is a "Maxwell's Demon") has weakly godlike abilities and always has. Meaning anything can happen and can have happened if they did it. A plot hole big enough to drive a Praeses through.
Second, it's all totally irrelevant. It doesn't really answer the relationship between Church and Sedna and Alice, or the sudden ability for Sedna to be faster, or the reason the Praeses isn't really nervous about the supersoldiers, or how Ardent and Gavia escaped from a simulation, or the Blink, or the Nightwalker, or anything. It just makes things more complicated and handwavey.
Man I could rant all night about this. However things tie up now, the whole story is suspect!
A Duck:
I've reread all of AG up to this point today, and there are a few things that can be taken as hints to the whole "entropy demon" thing. Most directly, this could be taken as Alice's view on the nature of her abilities
Even more directly, Sedna directly mentions putting Church's head "on a spike" at one point. From Alice's explanation, I'm guessing Sedna "broke the rules" harder than Church did. He probably didn't consider he needed that much speed to reach (I guess) Gavia on time, or simply didn't consider Sedna a threat.
By using her own bones, which seem to be already naturally strong, and applying all the force into a singular point, she was able to pierce Church's skin.
It seems their powers require a level of intent to be functional. If they're caught off guard, they aren't nearly as durable.
Also, it's not over yet, people. And I have a very strong feeling Jeph won't be done with this fictional universe after this story ends, either.
--- Quote from: brasca on 10 Jul 2017, 09:31 ---Maybe this is Spookybot after 5000 years of evolution or an offspring.
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Jeph was pretty clear on saying that AG and QC do not share an universe, but these two are certainly drawing from similar sources of inspiration.
retrosteve:
--- Quote from: A Duck on 10 Jul 2017, 18:16 ---Even more directly, Sedna directly mentions putting Church's head "on a spike" at one point. From Alice's explanation, I'm guessing Sedna "broke the rules" harder than Church did. He probably didn't consider he needed that much speed to reach (I guess) Gavia on time, or simply didn't consider Sedna a threat.
By using her own bones, which seem to be already naturally strong, and applying all the force into a singular point, she was able to pierce Church's skin.
It seems their powers require a level of intent to be functional. If they're caught off guard, they aren't nearly as durable.
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She doesn't just pierce his skin, she pierces his armor. Then after it goes through his neck, it pierces his armor on the other side. We've seen Alice's similar armor bounce hundreds of machine-gun rounds. Is a hand-driven bone shiv likely to concentrate more force on a singular point than a 10mm round at point-blank range?
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