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Alice Grove MCDLT - THE END...?
dexeron:
Oh god I just had a horrible thought.
Church's different colored eyes.
Spoiler for gore:
(click to show/hide)What if Alice isn't killing Pate? What if she's gouging out one of his eyes to replace the one Church popped out of her head earlier?!
brasca:
Wish I weren't so busy all of a sudden otherwise I could read through all of these posts since I don't want to be redundant.
I think today's strip ultimately came down to a clash between philosophies and at the end of the day Alice is only marginally better than Pate. Both have convincing arguments which I'm sure we could debate endlessly. Alice believes humanity is better off being held back since she was there for the worst of it and perpetrated as much. She's got more blood on her hands than all of Earth's worst tyrants combined. Pate on the other hand believes that humanity is being unfairly restrained just because his ancestors made some mistakes. He too is not without blood on his hands albeit indirectly and on a scale that's virtually nothing compared to Alice. However, Alice now has qualms about killing needlessly. If she ultimately decided that the end justifies the means she would've killed Ardent to prevent him from destabilizing the world. Instead she kills Pate who was much in the same position Ardent was and with no remorse whatsoever. http://www.alicegrove.com/post/126634213464/rip-ardent-you-were-very-blue
Perhaps things might've been different if Pate had demonstrated that he wasn't so ruthless to Ardent and Gavia. If he ordered Church to restrain Sedna and Ellie he could've convinced Ardent and Gavia that Alice was the unstable one and that he was seeking to restore Earth to what it once was and would help them get back into orbit if he could tag along to chat with the Praeses. Instead he had Church crush Sedna's shoulder, killed Ellie and was generally menacing once he dropped the facade. And they in turn ultimately sabotaged his plans in such a way that lead to this eventual downfall.
That being said there are a number of unanswered questions that I hope will be resolved in the few pages that remain.
Alice, Church, and Sedna seem to be all that's left of the super soldiers which seems like a low number. What happened to the rest? Were they sealed away in lava or something else that could contain them indefinitely or did they conspire with Alice to save humanity from themselves and collectively used up all their powers to trigger the blink. Alice, however, chose to remain behind to atone for what she did and keep humanity from making the same mistakes. Or maybe the other soldiers became the Praeses.
And what of Alice's mission to keep humanity in an agrarian dark age? It's been 5000 years and this is all the progress there is. Maybe Alice is responsible for killing other ambitious leaders and destroying strong kingdoms to prevent history from repeating itself. Even if she tries to avoid a lot of collateral damage the pain and suffering she inflicts probably doesn't make her feel any better about herself.
And who was it that sent Ardent and Gavia to Earth? Was it a Praeses trying to test the waters or a faction we have yet to see?
JimC:
Another thought to ponder is that Alice has stated ( http://www.alicegrove.com/post/101720779304/ardent-gets-it , http://www.alicegrove.com/post/126112043354/at-last-the-central-conflict-of-alice-grove-is ) that the world exists in carefully balanced harmony. Alice and Sedna can't have been doing that on their own, especially as they weren't even aware Church was active. Who (else?) was doing the balancing?
starkruzr:
Pate is bad, but he's also not wrong. Holding humanity in stagnation is fucked up.
JimC:
--- Quote from: starkruzr on 12 Jul 2017, 07:05 --- Holding humanity in stagnation is fucked up.
--- End quote ---
Who says? The balanced, sustainable non-destructive lifestyle of the post blink earth seems to resemble the ideals of the green movement, and if you take the Benthamitte idea of greatest good o the greatest number then an earth where no-one is in want, everyone has safe lives etc etc looks awfully good to what a lot of the world's population experiences now. One person's stagnation may be another person's blissful contentment.
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