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Alice Grove MCDLT - THE END...?
BenRG:
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--- Quote ---Should we judge them for doing what we made them do?
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If Alice pulls out the "just obeying orders" defense I will be disappointed in her.
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"Just obeying orders" has a completely different aspect to it if you have been genetically hardwired to need to have a commander and obey their orders (as Sedna pointed out the combat-optimised units had). For Alice and the other super-soliders, it wasn't a choice or even a cultural tradition, it was a physical and psychological necessity without which they could not function or would possibly even die.
Skewbrow:
I am somewhat torn about judging whether Alice executing Pate was justified or not. Narrative imperative dictated that he had to die. Bringing him to a court of law would have been nice, but
* Apparently there is no international court of law available, nothing like the court in the Hague in our version of the simulation.
* Local courts might not be able to hear the case impartially. What options would they have? A council of town elders? A council from the city in Pate's pocket?Still. Not nice, Alice. Was it absolutely necessary?
Also, I am always a bit reluctant to judge war crimes committed by front line soldiers from the comfort of my arm chair. I don't think we ordinary people, unexposed to the strains of a prolonged war, are qualified to do that objectively. Admittedly that may not be entirely relevant here, but it does sound like Alice has, in a sense, been fighting a war for the duration of her existence.
JimC:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jul 2017, 18:46 ---If Alice pulls out the "just obeying orders" defense I will be disappointed in her.
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That was always much more about victor's justice than anything else. 'Commit this atrocity or we'll kill you and your family instead' is a hard argument to resist. When its 'Commit this deed which isn't an atrocity because its vaguely in line with all the propaganda that's been drummed into you since you were old enough to understand, and by the way we'll kill you if you don't' then its even harder to resist.
fayelovesbubbles:
Now I'm concerned that if Sedna is okay, Church might be too.
fayelovesbubbles:
Pate had no problem killing every last one of them. "I'll have Mr. Church break Gavia's arms."
He didn't deserve mercy.
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