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WCDT Strips 3546 to 3550 (14th to 18th August 2017)
themacnut:
--- Quote from: Milayna on 15 Aug 2017, 22:44 ---
--- Quote from: zisraelsen on 15 Aug 2017, 16:13 ---So, how could Winslow have approached the situation better? He obviously needed to address the new chassis at some point, which is something Momo never needed to do (she was already in her new chassis when May was introduced). Was he tactless in his choice of words, or in his timing, with her at work? Would this tension have existed no matter how he tried to approach it, just by virtue of how easily he acquired something May is so frustrated to be denied?
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Given the context, any approach he did would likely have created tension. Any interaction at all would, though that could be mitigated by having her approach him about it. For instance, at a party at Marten's place. Given his excitement, such a passive approach is unlikely (and also opens up its own can of worms - "how long ago did you change? Why didn't you tell me).
Had it been me: I'd pick up a peace offering, first. Nothing expensive, obviously, and nothing related to body maintenance or modification just as obviously, but something cheap and that she'd appreciate like the newest issue of Prolapse Monthly. By the look of it, he entered pretty abruptly: A better approach would have been opening the door firmly but smoothly, making sure the bell didn't jingle too loud; (rest of very detailed approach deleted)
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I'm sorry Milanya, but that approach would have gone badly as well, for one simple reason; even assuming he could pull it off with his limited social experience, sooner or later the conversation would have turned to how Winslow got his new chassis. Once May learned it was gifted to him, her resentment over her own barely-functional chassis that she can barely afford to maintain would flare up, and things would go downhill from there.
The only way Winslow could have avoided the resulting angry outburst would have been to quickly exit stage right before May could ask any questions. Really, his best overall move would have been to avoid May altogether for as long as possible.
swapna:
I think the conversation was very predictable, and of course it's not just May's fault for being an abrasive Ass. We've never seen Winslow and May interact one-on-one before; they can't be close friends, if they are friends at all.
Which means that the only reason Winslow would seek her out - not in private, but on her job where she can't leave, and he obviously doesn't want to buy something - is to show off his new chassis. To an acquaintance. For the sole purpose of validation and congratulations and showing off, he doesn't ask or care how she's doing at all.
... even Momo couldn't fake being super excited and happy for him, and she's basically sugar sprinkles personified.
Yes, May is an abrasive asshole, and she could've been nicer, but I understand. I also understand how happy and excited Winslow is, but sometimes you need a jerk to tell you that you have your head up your own ass so far that you can't see the world around you. Bubbles is just the right person to help Winslow find meaningful things to do except being Hanners' companion, since her conversation isn't a "check your privilege"-thing. It's a "now that you're aware of the resources you have, wanna do something good with them?"-conversation, which is what Winslow desperately needs.
Re: May deserves the shit she's in: if you start denying people basic healthcare and stick them in a carch-22 situation where they can't avoid breaking the terms of their parole either way, strip them of their dignity (the weird AI companion thing with Dale? Sticking her in a body that might appeal to the "customer"? Making her completely dependant on his survey responses that he can use as a threat? Yes, Dale was nice. He's also not the norm), robbing them of their body (remember, she just wanted to see the stars, so she must have been in a situation where she had no sensors to perceive them) and say that's fair and her own fault... We just won't agree on that, ever, to put it mildly.
BenRG:
Does anyone think that Winslow might do well helping Momo out at the Robot Group Therapy meetings? He'd get a good idea of the sort of problems his brethren are confronting (both externally and in themselves). Just compiling questionnaire responses and other routine stuff to free up time for Momo?
ChipNoir:
--- Quote from: themacnut on 16 Aug 2017, 07:23 ---
--- Quote from: Milayna on 15 Aug 2017, 22:44 ---
--- Quote from: zisraelsen on 15 Aug 2017, 16:13 ---So, how could Winslow have approached the situation better? He obviously needed to address the new chassis at some point, which is something Momo never needed to do (she was already in her new chassis when May was introduced). Was he tactless in his choice of words, or in his timing, with her at work? Would this tension have existed no matter how he tried to approach it, just by virtue of how easily he acquired something May is so frustrated to be denied?
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Given the context, any approach he did would likely have created tension. Any interaction at all would, though that could be mitigated by having her approach him about it. For instance, at a party at Marten's place. Given his excitement, such a passive approach is unlikely (and also opens up its own can of worms - "how long ago did you change? Why didn't you tell me).
Had it been me: I'd pick up a peace offering, first. Nothing expensive, obviously, and nothing related to body maintenance or modification just as obviously, but something cheap and that she'd appreciate like the newest issue of Prolapse Monthly. By the look of it, he entered pretty abruptly: A better approach would have been opening the door firmly but smoothly, making sure the bell didn't jingle too loud; (rest of very detailed approach deleted)
--- End quote ---
I'm sorry Milanya, but that approach would have gone badly as well, for one simple reason; even assuming he could pull it off with his limited social experience, sooner or later the conversation would have turned to how Winslow got his new chassis. Once May learned it was gifted to him, her resentment over her own barely-functional chassis that she can barely afford to maintain would flare up, and things would go downhill from there.
The only way Winslow could have avoided the resulting angry outburst would have been to quickly exit stage right before May could ask any questions. Really, his best overall move would have been to avoid May altogether for as long as possible.
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Again though, she knows Momo. I really, really, really think you're looking at this from the wrong angle.
In terms of Hanner's privalege, this HAS been addressed. She IS aware of what her position and money means, and has begun to think about it. Just because we don't have an arc about that yet doesn't mean it isn't being addressed, either internally as her behavior changes, or in a larger arc if she decides to start a new chapter in her life. There are too many other interesting and complicated issues right now than to start something like that, unless Winslow AND Hanners combine together to commit to something that may help other AI's out, such as investing in Union Robotics, or something similar.
And I don't believe Winslow get's a get-out-of-jail free card here. He's naive yes, but he's still had autonomy. Nothing has been there to stop him from knowing everything that Momo has learned about AI history, and how important that is which I think is one of the more important elements of May's resentment. I'm firmly in the belief that it has nothing to do with how expensive the chassis is, so much as how Winslow casually treats the situation.
Is it cold in here?:
Chipnoir beat me to the point. Hannelore is already explicitly confronting the issue of what she should do with her unearned advantages. She may even be running ahead of herself -- as I understand the feedback she got from her friends, it might have been paraphrased as "Hon, you're still in 'put on your own oxygen mask first' territory and will be for a while".
I really look forward to a heart to heart talk between Bubbles and Winslow. There are questions about both of them that have been open questions for a long time. We may get some partial answers. In particular we may find out if Bubbles had a civilian life between leaving the crèche and enlisting.
Oh #@! I hope he doesn't decide to join the military. Though I could be completely wrong.
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