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WCDT Strips 3546 to 3550 (14th to 18th August 2017)
Shjade:
Your logic doesn't follow, Norton. The term would also be invalid if it were primarily used to, for instance, shut down people undeservingly and refuse to hear their point of view, as you noted has been done to you in the post to which I initially responded. Unfortunately, this would still be an issue regardless due to the people choosing to use it that way, not because of the specific terms they use to do it.
My argument didn't make any claims on your behalf about the existence of privilege or lack thereof, only about the people who abuse terminology around it and their impact on general perception of the term. I'm sorry if I've caused you any distress over this; that's the last thing I'd want to do.
Kugai:
Winslow's essentially a good guy
I wonder if the Unicorns will like him
snufflebottoms:
I really hope next week is kinder to Winslow.
Also, I hope Winslow has a chance to stand up for himself against May. It would be a hilarious but awesome mic-drop moment, if when the two meet (maybe after his tea, May and Momo show up
And he just says "May I am sorry that you thought I was holding my new body over you. I've thought about it and I am "
And when she goes to cut him off with her whole jaded and all knowing street smart rant, he takes the assertive route and cuts her off and says
"I wanted a new body so I could be independent, so that I wouldn't be bound to one location and vulnerable so that nobody else can pick on me. That includes you." And then he just walks away.
Meilu:
--- Quote from: snufflebottoms on 18 Aug 2017, 17:43 ---I really hope next week is kinder to Winslow.
Also, I hope Winslow has a chance to stand up for himself against May. It would be a hilarious but awesome mic-drop moment, if when the two meet (maybe after his tea, May and Momo show up
And he just says "May I am sorry that you thought I was holding my new body over you. I've thought about it and I am "
And when she goes to cut him off with her whole jaded and all knowing street smart rant, he takes the assertive route and cuts her off and says
"I wanted a new body so I could be independent, so that I wouldn't be bound to one location and vulnerable so that nobody else can pick on me. That includes you." And then he just walks away.
--- End quote ---
Seems out of character for him and completely off message for the arc. I don't see him "standing up for himself" as if she's some sort of horrible bully. She's just abrasive because her situation sucks. I've been there (who am I kidding... I live there) and find May extremely relatable. Some people are asses who flaunt their privilege in inappropriate settings. It's one thing to be happy for your change in circumstance, it's another to go to all the effort to go to your underprivileged friend's workplace and say "look how great I have it right now!" Reminds me of when my friend showed up at my shitty retail job two weeks after my separation from my spouse, with her new boyfriend, specifically to tell me she got a massive promotion. There are better, more thoughtful ways to handle these things. Winslow got caught up in the moment and didn't think. That doesn't make him a bad guy, and maybe May shouldn't have bit his head off, but there's no reason she should have to tiptoe around how he made her feel. It was insensitive.
And after reading most this thread, everyone saying this would have happened regardless of their locale and circumstances, I totally disagree with that. As a story it wouldn't have worked in Marten's apartment or CoD or anywhere other than May's shitty job. That was part of the point.
ChipNoir:
I had a lot of time at work to think about why what Winslow does bugs me enough that I'm not entirely willing to side against May here.
1. His mobility is...almost an afterthought. There are times where the comics make small jokes that are a little off topic, and that may be it. I'm pretty sure this isn't a 'common' issue for him. If it is, then my heart goes out to him, and yes, at the very least he deserves something besides an Ipod for a body. Strange that Apple would make something so clunky. User friendly out-of-box is typically their motife.... But the major thing is that he wants to be like May, Momo, and Bubbles. His relationship to Momo and Pintsize is they were peers, and now at least one of them has basically evolved past him, and has seemingly ceased having an active relationship. He wants to feel equal to them. Pintsize is...well Pintsize. But basically Winslow has defined himself by Hanners, who while she appreciates him, doesn't really need him, just like how Martin doesn't 'need' Pintsize anymore. The dynamic has changed, and probably left Winslow with an identity crisis he isn't talking about.
Also does Hanners not have a skype that Winslow can call when he's left like this? Poor little guy.
2. I've said he doesn't 'need' because this is the very first time he's brought this up. I really don't think this was a burning desire so much as an impulsive "Hey, I want that too" which is easy to read into from an outside perspective. This isn't a "My life is horrible, I need this chassis to function" sounding decision. This is a "I'm feeling left behind, maybe a body will fix that" and it turns out no, it's not a quick fix for his self esteem.
3. His wording is pretty key for dealing with Momo. With Momo he's all "I have a new body. Dot. Dot. Dot." As if he's either expecting Momo to bask in this, or even say more. He wanted someone we've already confirmed isn't that close to him to drop what they're doing and make the moment all about him, and well, people have their own life. She already gave her kudos, and then he kept wanting to suck her further into his own ego an that is a major turn off. So that's the first strike against him.
4. "I decided I wanted to be a humanoid like you," those two words are probably what put the handbrake on the conversation for May. First, he didn't get the chassis like them. Momo got it at great cost to her friend, and has been working hard ever since, so May even might be offended on her behalf. But more so, May is saddled with this issued chassis. Whatever you think about her deserving it or not, it isn't the same. Winslow acts like this makes them equals, and it doesn't. The bigger word "Decided", as if this is just a whim. Yes, it means a lot to him now, but it didn't before. This isn't something we've seen him struggle with, and have a burning desire for, and with a goal in life involved. Just "I want what they have, because I don't have it. And I'm inconvenienced sometimes.". Strike two. I'm VERY annoyed with him.
5. I have my own baggage; When I came out, I was VERY young. Like at least 13. I went from feeling isolated and lonely because I had nothing to share to "HI I'M GAY!" to everyone I met, to the point where I was defining my as being gay, without there being any real meaning to it besides "Hey look at me, I have this special thing!" and that started being very alienating to people, and it took a similar chewing out for me to realize that if I wanted friends, I needed to identify as more as an actual person, not an orientation that I didn't even really understand the culture and strife involved with it. So that's three strikes.
So by the time May has her blow up, I'm feeling on her side in a bit. And I know its unfair. Winslow is not a bad person. But a good person can still be quite aggravating.
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