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WCDT Strips 3546 to 3550 (14th to 18th August 2017)
Shjade:
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 18 Aug 2017, 13:18 ---Again. I have said many times in this thread that privilege exists, that it is a thing. Stop trying to treat "I hate when people are asses about privilege and try to use it to shut down discussion" with "privilege doesn't exist".
You are making up arguments that no one in the thread made in order to lecture people like they are children.
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A bit ironic, given that's not the argument I'm making.
@Magniras: I never claimed it was easy. Unfortunately, a lot of damage is also done by having crowds of people all telling you to do the same, unhelpful thing, and that's bound to lead to some negative feedback, because we're human. In an ideal world they get a polite response explaining the problem, how to help/improve, etc., but as was pointed out earlier in this thread, we don't live in an ideal world. Indeed, if we did, the situation wouldn't come up in the first place.
Sidenote, there's never a reason to "prove you're a 'real' ally," since that's a thing that's determined by your actions. You don't need to call yourself an ally, or be called that by other people; if it's what you are, it's what you do. Making a declarative thing of it is looking in the wrong direction.
Cornelius:
Alright, I was making some arguments, that in the meantime have been made - notably, that learning to help can be very difficult, and that it is, at best, unhelpful, telling people that because they are xyz, they cannot begin to understand.
A really handy functionality, that notification of answers while writing.
--- Quote from: Shjade on 18 Aug 2017, 13:29 ---Sidenote, there's never a reason to "prove you're a 'real' ally," since that's a thing that's determined by your actions. You don't need to call yourself an ally, or be called that by other people; if it's what you are, it's what you do. Making a declarative thing of it is looking in the wrong direction.
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I wish more people would understand that.
Magniras:
--- Quote from: Shjade on 18 Aug 2017, 13:29 ---@Magniras: I never claimed it was easy. Unfortunately, a lot of damage is also done by having crowds of people all telling you to do the same, unhelpful thing, and that's bound to lead to some negative feedback, because we're human. In an ideal world they get a polite response explaining the problem, how to help/improve, etc., but as was pointed out earlier in this thread, we don't live in an ideal world. Indeed, if we did, the situation wouldn't come up in the first place.
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I think the problem stems from the sheer amount of ideal worlds that exist. It'd be easier if humans had one culture and one ideal world.
--- Quote from: Shjade on 18 Aug 2017, 13:29 ---Sidenote, there's never a reason to "prove you're a 'real' ally," since that's a thing that's determined by your actions. You don't need to call yourself an ally, or be called that by other people; if it's what you are, it's what you do. Making a declarative thing of it is looking in the wrong direction.
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Unfortunately, I've met people who would disagree with that point of view.
Neko_Ali:
Mostly because there are people who claim to be an ally, but who's actions show they are anything but. And there are people who have been so victimized or are so untrusting that they do not believe someone not like them would want to help without ulterior motive.
Emperor Norton:
--- Quote from: Shjade on 18 Aug 2017, 13:29 ---
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 18 Aug 2017, 13:18 ---Again. I have said many times in this thread that privilege exists, that it is a thing. Stop trying to treat "I hate when people are asses about privilege and try to use it to shut down discussion" with "privilege doesn't exist".
You are making up arguments that no one in the thread made in order to lecture people like they are children.
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A bit ironic, given that's not the argument I'm making.
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The line you said that people misusing it does not invalidate the term. I never said it invalidated the term. I never said there was anything not valid about the term. The term is very valid. The only way the term would not be valid is if the phenomenon that it describe did not exist. So tell me again how your argument is not stating that I am saying privilege doesn't exist.
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