Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 3621 to 3625 (27th November to 1st December 2017)
TheEvilDog:
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--- Quote from: Castlerook on 28 Nov 2017, 19:55 ---We already knew that Beatrice didn't know that much about Hanners, that she smoked, drank or had her ears repeated pierced.
But really, its a sign of how out of touch that Beatrice is with her own daughter, given that the dossier is out of date and possesses the wrong information.
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There's no evidence at all that Beatrice was involved in creating the dossier, as opposed to Little Creepazoid Stalker being sloppy at "research".
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1. You don't send a new employee to compile a dossier on their new supervisor, that's just asking for problems.
2. Beatrice is the kind of woman who would have a dossier for everyone she could see as someone she can use.
3. Beatrice still doesn't know that much about her daughter, just look at the last time she appeared in the comic. Par for the course if you ask me.
4. Name calling? Seriously? Look, we get the fact you don't like Tilly, I'm certainly not their biggest fan, but come on, their a fictional character, name calling isn't going to do anything to them, but it will make you look foolish.
--- Quote from: DesiArxxy on 30 Nov 2017, 15:22 ---
--- Quote ---But its also a sign of how desperate Tilly is to make a good first impression that she's based her enter strategy around wrong information. Which is kinda depressing...and a little pathetic...
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I think it's more giving us further evidence that Tilly is overall incompetent at their purported job. So far, the only thing they've shown themselves competent at is 1) obeying unethical orders without hesitation and 2) bullying customer service reps into a bad deal. The actual PA functions? Zero for three.
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Yes, Tilly has been a rather poor PA, but then again the entire profile they were working with was quite inaccurate.
1. Tilly is in something of a Catch 22 situation, damned if they do, damned if they don't. Their employer is Beatrice Ellicott-Chatham, a woman whose management style reads like a villain from a James Bond film, who doesn't like failure. And Tilly failing here would certainly ruin her job prospects with the company.
2. We have seen no evidence that Tilly bullied any service rep. I have never heard of a rep giving someone $500 over the phone. If anything, Tilly probably dropped Hanners name, or her mother's and used that to get to talk to a manager or supervisor in order to get that money authorised. In the sense of getting Hanners a new phone, Tilly was surprisingly successful and saved their boss the hassle of getting a new phone, so in that regard score one for Tilly.
Look, you don't like Tilly, I certainly don't like them. But at the same time, is there really any need to be foaming at the mouth and chomping at the bit to show your dislike? At the end of the day, the storyline was an attempt to introduce a new character and there is some debate as to whether or not that introduction was successful. Some believed it fell flat, others believe that Tilly has proven to be interesting. That's really all that should matter. We can't judge this whole arc from a day to day basis, but only on the whole when it is completed. And it does seem that the arc might be winding down. Let's just see what happens before someone breaks out the torches and pitchforks.
ChipNoir:
The problem is that they had totally accurate information on Winslow. So there's some logic issues here. How is the Hannelore profile so off point, but Tilly has Winslow's schedule down to a T, especially with the latter info being so much more obscure than knowing Hanner's favorite color?
And no, this doesn't say they're bad at their job, so much as they are only good as the tools they work with. Having spent no time with their 'boss' she of course won't have their preferences figured out. I don't think Tilly picked out this information themselves. Someone at the company screwed up.
(Oh lordy is non-binary a workout on my writing. I've never had a non-binary friend so this is taking some getting used to in correcting)
Perfectly Reasonable:
--- Quote from: bhtooefr on 30 Nov 2017, 02:53 ---It's "it"/"its" that are rude, because those pronouns, while actually singular and gender-neutral, are inanimate.
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Didn't stop E. Nesbit from using them for people. I suspect that other authors of the 1890's may have done the same.
When I meet a they/them character in a book, I cannot help visualizing a set of conjoined twins.
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And now I need to know what the deal is with Hannelore and tapirs. (Me, I can take them or leave them alone.)
Welu:
The way Tilly talks about the dossier, "Oh. Yes. Right. That was in the dossier." And "... The dossier led me to believe." Strongly suggests they did not write it. So when they say they've done the research, they probably mean that they read the document someone else compiled and told them to read.
Moderator Comment Also as a nonbinary person who also happens to be one of the mods of this forum, on a personal and mod level I really appreciate everyone's quick transition to respectfully using they/them pronouns as appropriate to our new character. Some have mentioned this is new and will take getting used to for them and I sincerely appreciate the effort.
Smallest:
--- Quote from: snufflebottoms on 30 Nov 2017, 05:09 ---I honestly feel like Jeph made Tilly non-binary in an attempt to make them less vulnerable to hate. Like, I'm going to make them a giant asshole but then I'm going to add in this part as their hook and ignore the fact that this character is just amazingly grating.
Then over time, the character will become more likable. But not so much because we know them more but because they have stopped the bad behavior. Idk, meh.
And I do not find them cute. Maybe in the first introduction but then they kept talking lol.
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I think Jeph knows better than to do that. Especially since people, including people who accept binary trans people like Claire, fucking hate non binary people* (and those identified as other similar terms eg genderqueer), so it would be a useless idea even if it wasn't a creepy and weird way to treat Tilly's gender.
Also, people have been guessing Tilly was NB from the beginning. It's not surprising that they actually are NB. Also, there have been a ton of tweets and whatnot where Jeph specifically does not gender Tilly leading up to this, instead using their name, even in places where it sounds a little clunky. There might be exceptions (that is, I don't feel like scouring Jeph's twitter right now), but this has been pretty visibly coming since Tilly was introduced.
*speaking from observation as a non binary trans man
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