Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 3621 to 3625 (27th November to 1st December 2017)
Shjade:
--- Quote from: Castlerook on 30 Nov 2017, 05:55 ---Tilly could have been an interesting character, with a story that could have worked well in the QC-verse.
Unfortunately, first impressions linger far longer than we would like and Tilly's was less than stellar. Her introduction was somewhat clumsy and got rather tired rather quickly. Not only that, but it presented a long established character in a rather out of character manner for much of the arc. Add in the fact that this story has gone on for the best part of a month and I think this might be an arc we'll all try to pretend never happened, both for the reaction of the forum and the arc itself.
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If I stuck with my first impression of Questionable Content, I wouldn't be reading it now.
That people tend to remember first impressions so strongly doesn't mean holding on to them is something you should strive to do.
TheEvilDog:
Of course, but the fact remains that those first impressions can and do linger, sometimes colouring our view of a character long after they were introduced.
Even before Tilly's revelation about themself, they were disliked by a number of people for being somewhat pushy, didn't listen to their new boss and placed themself in Hanners' life without discussing the situation beforehand. Even when realising they was working with incorrect information, Tilly is still somewhat intrusive. It just feels as though Tilly is superfluous to the needs of the comic, especially considering that there were other characters that could have fitted in the role and perhaps been a better fit for the story; such as Winslow (to pay back Hanners for the new chassis), May (to serve as PA/Bodyguard for Hanners. I mean, just imagine May in a situation like this or Marigold or even Brun.
I said before that Tilly could have, and could still be, an interesting character, but their introduction has fallen flat. The story also feels a lot like a wasted opportunity and I think its going to haunt the character for a while. Its like telling a joke, you trip up at the beginning and you've lost the humour.
hedgie:
Hopefully later on, Jeph can roll an author saving throw on this one, but should sideline Tilly for a while. They are *really* annoying in this current arc, but there is still a chance of redemption. Hells, I still didn't like Claire even for some while after she came out, and I'm pretty sure that I wasn't the only one. She evolved beyond irritating girl-Clin-ton, so I think that there's hope for Tilly as well.
brasca:
--- Quote from: Castlerook on 30 Nov 2017, 20:33 ---Of course, but the fact remains that those first impressions can and do linger, sometimes colouring our view of a character long after they were introduced.
Even before Tilly's revelation about themself, they were disliked by a number of people for being somewhat pushy, didn't listen to their new boss and placed themself in Hanners' life without discussing the situation beforehand. Even when realising they was working with incorrect information, Tilly is still somewhat intrusive. It just feels as though Tilly is superfluous to the needs of the comic, especially considering that there were other characters that could have fitted in the role and perhaps been a better fit for the story; such as Winslow (to pay back Hanners for the new chassis), May (to serve as PA/Bodyguard for Hanners. I mean, just imagine May in a situation like this or Marigold or even Brun.
I said before that Tilly could have, and could still be, an interesting character, but their introduction has fallen flat. The story also feels a lot like a wasted opportunity and I think its going to haunt the character for a while. Its like telling a joke, you trip up at the beginning and you've lost the humour.
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Winslow could've asked Hannelore about being more use to her as personal assistant, but she would've told him that she's still trying to push herself to handle mundane tasks and that would've been that. He wouldn't have pushed it. Hannelore doesn't really need a bodyguard and if she did Bubbles would be at the of the list.
Moreover, May lacks a lot of the diplomatic skills a good personal assistant has. As intrusive as Tilly has been I'd prefer her company over May's any day of the week.
I'm interested in seeing where this story is going and perhaps Tilly is the catalyst for Hannelore doing something with her life. She's come a long way, but the only reason she works at Coffee of Doom is to improve her interaction with people and everyday life. If she somehow gained control over her mother's company it could definitely be a force for good with her at the helm, but she has to be mentally prepared for such a task.
Bleeds_Daylight:
--- Quote from: Marco on 30 Nov 2017, 08:17 ---Anyway, here in Brasil, the few non-binary people I know pick a pronoum of their preference or just don't care if they're called "he" or "she". As far as I know, there is no spoken new pronoum for them, altough there were a few atempts in print (none of them really catch up).
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There aren't really any neutral pronouns in my native French either (so it's much like it is in Portuguese I guess) and I'm not fond of being called they/them in English. Yes, it is technically a singular form when you are ignorant of gender but it doesn't feel right to me as a single known individual. Makes me want to crack jokes about being a collective entity (cue Star Trek Borg jokes). I'm am totally cool with using it for someone else if that's their comfort zone but it isn't my own pronoun preference.
I prefer either he/him or she/her equally in both languages, so long as they're said politely. No pronoun sounds comfortable if said mockingly. Most folks tend to label me based on my sex since I don't have a naturally androgynous physique and I'm kind of blasé about it. My gender identity is kind of a personal matter to me and not something I get political about. I get why misgendering would hurt but pronouns don't affect me much unless there's malice behind them.
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