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WCDT Strips 3626 to 3630 (4th to 8th December 2017)
TinPenguin:
--- Quote from: ToodleLew on 06 Dec 2017, 09:50 ---I hear dissonance when trying to use plural or collective pronouns for singular entities. Rather than deny Tilly pronouns, mentally, I substitute the indefinite pronoun "one" for Tilly's preferred they/them.[1]
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So because using a supposedly plural pronoun feels odd, you're using an indefinite pronoun instead? How does that make any more sense?
A Duck:
Daamn, I feel like Jeph spend 90% of the total drawing time for today making Tilly's legs.
Is it me or he's been improving in terms of anatomy recently? Likely because of Bubbles.
I now feel bad for Tilly. I hope they can have a place after this Hannelore PA thing inevitably fails.
ToodleLew:
--- Quote from: TinPenguin on 06 Dec 2017, 11:20 ---
--- Quote from: ToodleLew on 06 Dec 2017, 09:50 ---I hear dissonance when trying to use plural or collective pronouns for singular entities. Rather than deny Tilly pronouns, mentally, I substitute the indefinite pronoun "one" for Tilly's preferred they/them.[1]
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So because using a supposedly plural pronoun feels odd, you're using an indefinite pronoun instead? How does that make any more sense?
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I didn't say that it had to make sense to you. But, as a "gender neutral" pronoun that has separate singular and plural forms, it makes more sense to me then the (usually) plural "they/them".
Timemaster:
--- Quote from: A Duck on 06 Dec 2017, 11:32 ---Daamn, I feel like Jeph spend 90% of the total drawing time for today making Tilly's legs.
Is it me or he's been improving in terms of anatomy recently? Likely because of Bubbles.
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I noticed that, too. Tilly displays a very realistic and organic posture here. I like that. Todays strip is very detailled and must have been a lot of work.
And as I have mentioned before, Tilly seems to have some water deposition in their legs. At least Jeph seems to me do have dawn them exactly that way. I think this is intentional and shows how much thought he has put in this new character.
And one thing more: I admire Jephs skill in drawing hands and fingers. Just look at the way Tilly is holding their phone. But the thing he hasn't mastered yet are feet. And shoes, just look at Tillys handstand a few days back. Nothing really important, I know. But it amuses me every time I see bare feet in the strip. :wink:
By the way, do you like my new signature? :-D
TM
Welu:
--- Quote from: TheBiscuit on 06 Dec 2017, 10:08 ---I had the same thought while writing my last post. I had to use 'they were' instead of 's/he was' , but it only made me pause for a second. The polite option is to use for a person those pronouns that for which they have stated a preference. Is it something to which a lot of us may be unaccustomed, but I don't find it so terrible. Merely unfamiliar.
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This is a good attitude.
As a they, which I feel the need to say again so people are reminded we're real people and not just a grammar connundrum to be solved, I can appreciate it is new to some and takes a bit of getting used to at first. Especially for people where English is not a first language for them.
However trying and messing up is a lot more appreciated than refusing outright, or saying we should come up with something "better". That incidentally ignores that trans and nonbinary people have already been having these discussions a long time. It's worth remembering that just because something is new to you does not mean that it is new.
This forum aims to be an inclusive space. That means we aim to be a little bit more compassionate and do a little more to make people feel welcome.
Someone telling you their pronouns is extending a level of vulnerability and trust. Turning around and saying you won't because you think you know better for whatever reason is patronising and can be so hurtful.
Moderator Comment In this space, they is a valid pronoun. As it should be everywhere but the rest of the world is still getting there. Don't tell people how to identify. Respect people's (and the characters') wishes and use the pronoun they tell you to use for them. It is that simple.
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